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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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with gene with chris and with greg

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bishop

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we're going to be proceeding through a

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big agenda on this week's episode of

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powercast

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now one of the things greg that i'd love

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to see

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et do for us is to make us all wireless

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because as some of our listeners know i

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just recently moved

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and the first thing i had to do was to

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disassemble this wiring harness

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nightmare to hook everything up again

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if everything was wireless i wouldn't

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have to do that i've got so many cables

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i've accumulated over 20 years

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i spend hours

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disassembling this list

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et has to be wireless right um we should

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be by now you yeah i think they're

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moving towards that apple's certainly

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moving towards it they won't their new

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computers only have like what one

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connector now for everything that's just

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one model the others still have several

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connectors but yeah well they're moving

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towards it which which would be nice for

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my show i've actually got a

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analog mixing board because uh i like

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analog mixing boards

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it's only got what four tracks on it but

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i run the computer through it and then i

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plug the mic into it and then that goes

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out to another computer that's basically

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just the you know the broadcast computer

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so i've only got what maybe

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six cables or something for the whole

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well let me give you the numbers here i

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am using an analog mixer with a usb

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output so there's some kind of analog

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digital thingy going there i'm using an

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analog mic

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going to the analog mixer the mixer goes

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into a usb hub

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and then that goes into my imac and the

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reason there's a usb hub is because i

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a set of external bose speakers that

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connects

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through usb and that's not connected yet

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i still have a few cables to figure out

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i have a usb superdrive

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on my imac because of course they don't

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have internal disk drives anymore

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and then i have two external backup

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drives

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one is thunderbolt the other is usb

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are you with me so far or have you

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basically given up and discussed

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who me

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i i'm with you yeah i'm actually hooking

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in my headphones so that i don't have to

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listen to this on speaker and then i can

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hear if there's background noise or

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whatever that's coming through i mean

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since we're talking about boards i just

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i'll just put my setup through my um

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through my headphones and i can hear it

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properly like a radio show you know it's

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funny i've been doing radio for

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close to 25 years from online radio

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since 2002 with a tech show

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with traditional broadcast radio

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for regular radio for some reason with

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this setup i'm out of that loop now i

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have the equipment for it because i can

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just loop back the audio

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yeah i can loop it back it's you know

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doesn't that sound fancy

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yes they're made in brooklyn new york by

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the way i know people here are wondering

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why we're talking technology on a

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paranormal show

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well i think i was talking about et and

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helping us towards the wireless

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generation but also some of you would

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like to do your own broadcasting your

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own podcast or something like that and

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maybe we're giving you some ideas how we

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put our stuff together of course mine is

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more complicated because i record a show

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that is going to be broadcast on

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traditional radio i've got all sorts of

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terms conditions and requirements i can

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get to be pretty crazy

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but anyway you see

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basically greg the beginnings the

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glimmer of my wiring problem then of

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course there's a printer

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and then there's a direct ethernet

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hookup to a switch

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and the printer goes to the switch and

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the second printer see the point folks i

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mean i think we lost all our listeners

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the ones of course who are not into

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politics you see they they don't want to

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listen to us because whenever we talk

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about anything political

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suddenly they turn off or they don't

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renew their subscriptions to powercast

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so that gets to be pretty crazy

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yeah well nobody uh everybody on uh when

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i have to monitor coast to coast anytime

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it gets political people start getting

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because if they want to hear politics i

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guess they go you know to a political

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show and they they don't want to hear it

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on coast to coast so

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i i've never talked politics on my show

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mainly because i'm not interested in

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arguing with people about it or

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discussing it

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one because i'm not going to change

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everybody's mind and two because if we

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have to get too deeply into it i start

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losing information and i can't argue

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effectively

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well the other thing is here this is

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something that relates to the paranormal

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or any area where people will have

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different opinions we're so polarized in

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our society and what we do is we live in

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echo chambers so let's

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stay in the paranormal so you believe

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ufos are spaceships

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that were being channeled by being star

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beings from zeta reticuli there's a

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group of people who believe that and

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they have their own group and they feed

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off each other this is the echo chamber

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and they look for

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information sources that simply affirm

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their beliefs they don't look at

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anything else

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and then if you're just if you're more

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of the hard science kind of ufos like

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the donald kehoe

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belief is of course that their

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spaceships and the us government has a

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silence group that's keeping it a secret

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you get the picture

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yes i'm not a member of any of those

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groups i don't think i i mean i try not

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to be besides i mean how can you have a

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fixed opinion on the paranormal it's

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just so especially ufo stuff it's so

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mercurical and you can have you can find

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something and this has probably been

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said on your show 100 times and mine 100

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times

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that if you have a you know a

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whatever bugaboo boo you have there's

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plenty of stuff to back it up but then

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there's also plenty of stuff to you know

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contradict it and since people don't

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listen you know they cover theirs and go

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blah blah blah

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or they'll just keep saying the same

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thing over and over no matter how what

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you throw at them which is not debate so

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it can be illustrated by the online

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discussion thing you see something

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online on facebook or a group or even on

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your own page and you start to type

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something and then you you get to the

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end of it and you've spent 10 minutes on

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it and you look at it you go

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you know what it's just not worth it

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it's just not worth it and you erase it

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move on i've found out that i'm doing

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that far more than i used to do

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and i think that's a you know you just

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you meet so many people and then you you

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of crap or anything but you start to

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specialize and so you filter and i think

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that's the only way to stay sane and

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maybe do something useful instead of

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whatever but um yeah i've i've gotten a

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lot more specialized i think

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well willie and nilly will disagree with

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issues that will be debated will be

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all these long messages and the worst

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and this is an object lesson for anyone

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remember online is not as easy as

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reading a book however

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thoughts many different ideas

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it's nearly impossible for me to follow

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and i'm not the stupidest person in the

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world some people might disagree with

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separate each thought

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online skip a line

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and that way whatever you have to say

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you'll be easier to understand

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easier to avoid confusing things because

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if you confuse things then we have worse

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debates

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we're talking about debate

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now we're talking about a lot of things

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greg bishop and i chris o'brien will be

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we never know going into it how things

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chris on his way and greg bishop you're

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greg bishop is

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kind of manning the table here as we

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wait for chris o'brien and we're talking

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about a lot of subjects we started in a

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dialogue about

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how heavily polarized people are about a

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variety of subjects

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and the thing about can't we just get

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along applies

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that's why

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anytime we have a foray into politics

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even briefly it turns off some people as

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you say as you monitor coast to coast

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being an online person who works for

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them it's the same issue as soon as

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again the politics get off that get off

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that we can't have that unless you are a

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fan of their political point of view

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then of course i want to hear it

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endlessly so we have one subscriber

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loyal subscriber and maybe we got a

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little too political lately he said you

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know what i'm not going to renew

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powercast plus now that's worse than

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just saying i'm not going to listen

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because if you don't renew there's money

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that we don't get

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so we don't like that but on the other

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hand we're not going to do a show for

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one person we can't

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we do a show for ourselves

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and then if you like it fine if you

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don't like it fine we try to listen to

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what you have to say when you suggest

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guests in fact on this week's episode we

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were gonna have artie six killer clark

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with a new book and she looks into

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legends of star people

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among

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native americans and that didn't work

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and the reason it didn't work is because

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i had a move on tuesday

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for many many reasons not to get into it

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but that was the only day we could

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schedule it that was the day she was

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booked and now we have to have her back

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on in september i think we also have

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kathleen martin

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and stanton friedman with believe it or

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not

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a brand new book that's going to be

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sometime in september and we're working

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on the final scheduling for jim mars

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but we have greg bishop and we're

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talking about a little bit about

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polarized discussions let's get past

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that i would say this greg this is where

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you kind of skirt the line you want to

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know whether a president is going to

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talk about ufos or look into it you want

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to know what the government knows

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suddenly you're into politics no matter

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what happens

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yeah yeah you are that at least it's

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it's tangentially connected i don't know

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why people talk about it because it's

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nothing's going to happen until it

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happens and of course it's not going to

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happen in the way people that people

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want i'm almost certain of that and of

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course if it doesn't happen in the way

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people want they're going to cry cover

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up that's one of those things that i

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kind of you know lift myself out of that

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debate and don't talk about it my

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position is there's you know it's too

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complicated to reveal anything and it's

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too confusing

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whatever it is if the government does

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know about it i don't think it can be

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reduced to an announcement or sound

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bites i i really don't

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so we'll see what happens but i have

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little faith in the uh disclosure thing

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i just can't see that one day the

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president be the president

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barack obama donald trump hillary

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clinton

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whoever it's going to be whoever it is

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they're not going to walk up to the

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microphone

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with a little alien gray

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along with them or make some kind of

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statement about that that will never

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ever happen

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it can't happen for obviously a variety

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of reasons and one might be they don't

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know a darn thing about it any more than

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we do maybe they know

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more details about sightings because

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there are certain things that have to be

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kept secret because they're talking

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about some test

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product

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as mentioned there are certain technical

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details that have to be secure or names

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of people

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that we should know about and they have

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a legitimate reason to hide that

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sources and methods exactly but we

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still may not find anything they could

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give us everything they know and they

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know nothing

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i don't know about nothing but like you

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said yeah a little bit more data but

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nothing about you know why where

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anything like that well maybe where i

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suppose but i think where might even be

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complicated

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okay fine i don't i see the people that

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do that either one they just you know

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that's that's what they've decided on or

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two they've had some kind of revelatory

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experience that's not available to the

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rest of us and if it isn't it doesn't

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make it useless it just makes it kind of

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uh

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something only one person or a few

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people can experience so that's another

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problem the issue of course here is if

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you claim to be channeling some kind of

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higher being and the higher being says

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in whatever way they communicate maybe

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you hear a voice or it comes in your

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head

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and they say we are star beings from

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zeta reticuli

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now

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i would answer if that happened to me

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other than being scared out of my wits

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oh okay so you're coming from one of the

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two stars of the binary star system

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you're not coming from a planet

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are you i answer

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telemarketing phone calls the same way

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when i get a telemarketing phone call

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and someone claims to be something or

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other i ask them a reverse question that

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makes them think beyond their spiel

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usually they hang up or the people who

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are claiming to be windows technical

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support

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and they want to get into my pc so they

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could use ransomware to take a few

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hundred dollars out of me and i say

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hi who's a mac why are you calling me or

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how do you know what i have are you

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hacking me you should see what they tell

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me when i get that yeah well they think

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well they should just hang up

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i would i never get calls like that it's

544
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kind of weird but i'm not involved in

545
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the techie world as much as you are the

546
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problem with channeling and all these

547
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things is there you

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people don't realize how many have

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different filters the things are going

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through before it gets to your conscious

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awareness wherever the signal is coming

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from inside or outside or combination of

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the two

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there's so many metaphors and ideas laid

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on top of that i don't think we have any

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access to where those

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those messages come from if they are

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indeed coming from outside the person

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which i think they are sometimes but you

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know past that it's it's kind of hard to

561
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make an assumption and of course most

562
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people know they're listening a lot of

563
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:30,000
channeled stuff is like one of those

564
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those internet posts where people just

565
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,480
go on and on and on about nothing

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and then you know every every you know

567
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three or four hours there's there you

568
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:39,600
know there's some cosmic wisdom other

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than that it's just

570
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metaphysical mumbling you know

571
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seemingly a lot of the time there is a

572
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consistency though

573
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but i wonder how many people who have

574
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these experiences already read the

575
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literature so whatever they're

576
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experiencing is

577
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funneled through those

578
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filters

579
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and your genetics and so many things

580
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:06,799
going into the mix

581
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to make what you think is consciously

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that what is consciously available to

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you and you think is reality

584
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has been uh

585
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,559
there's so much going on at a sub uh

586
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,880
subconscious level i think there's no

587
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hope of getting at uh whatever that

588
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,200
signal is i mean that's my bugaboo right

589
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:25,600
now what causes ufo reports

590
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,039
i don't care about government stuff i

591
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don't care about you know nazi ufos i

592
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:31,760
don't i don't not a lot anyway i don't

593
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,559
care about um exo politics i don't care

594
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:36,720
about the abduction thing really

595
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:38,960
it is accepting as much as it answers

596
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,760
the question what causes ufo reports

597
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,440
that i think that's the

598
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,600
really the basic question

599
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,600
and that it goes into so many areas it

600
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,360
goes into what we've just been talking

601
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:51,840
about psychology and filtering but

602
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,159
also you know what what was the stimulus

603
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,480
sometimes the stimulus leaves traces

604
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,280
sometimes a stimulus is seen by more

605
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,120
than one person sometimes the stimulus

606
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:04,080
is uh seen on radar or whatever but you

607
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,679
know it also seems to be a lot more

608
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,960
interesting in a close encounter you

609
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,720
know what the 500 feet or less that

610
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,240
seems to be where very interesting

611
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:12,000
things start to happen well there

612
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,600
there's the interaction with some force

613
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:17,919
interaction yeah interaction is the big

614
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,840
thing what goes on in that interaction

615
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and how do we

616
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,960
i don't think we can extricate ourselves

617
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,280
from that interaction to find out what

618
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,120
the thing is because whatever is

619
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reported and whatever we know about and

620
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whatever we're all talking about here

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whatever all the books are written about

622
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is an interaction i don't think it's uh

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i don't think you can sit there and look

624
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at it dispassionately or without

625
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including the the observer in the in the

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equation especially with something

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paranormal we have greg bishop with gene

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steinberg chris o'brien's on his way

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[Music]

736
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:15,669
hi this is ted phillips listening to the

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paracast and it's as good as it gets

738
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believe me

739
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,320
[Music]

740
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,320
we have greg bishop hanging out with

741
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,159
gene steinberg we're kind of talking

742
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,679
shop but just talking about a lot of

743
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,520
different things and now

744
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,200
experiencers

745
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,039
it could be channelers people claiming

746
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:39,520
to be abducted by ufos and there was

747
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,669
and greg has gone off the rails

748
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,440
of course you see i've never been on the

749
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:49,039
rails so i don't know what the rails are

750
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,559
supposed to feel like

751
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,720
so if that's being off the rails i

752
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,200
yeah the rails are overrated yeah as a

753
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,960
former occupant of the rails this is

754
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,960
your expert opinion i don't know if i

755
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:00,720
was ever an occupant of the rails i i

756
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,039
have no idea what are the rails i try to

757
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,679
avoid them the rails scare me the people

758
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,520
on the rails scare me they always have

759
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since i was a kid

760
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well the thing is here the only rails i

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knew about when i grew up was the

762
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subways

763
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in new york what they traveled on rails

764
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that was it i was talking about

765
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metaphysical rails but i see what you're

766
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saying

767
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well i understand you were doing that

768
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,760
i'm just giving you a hard time that's

769
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what i'm that's what i'm here for to

770
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,480
give our guest a hard time

771
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,240
i think he's flipping out very quickly

772
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,080
here but the thing

773
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,399
that worries me and i always

774
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,799
i have lately more

775
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,120
than ever when i bring on

776
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:41,600
straight ufo investigators

777
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,000
i try to see if they're focusing as much

778
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,480
on the experience as the person

779
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,000
because the biggest problem in ufo

780
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:50,159
research i think one of the big problems

781
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,600
is that they've been event centric not

782
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,960
participant

783
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,720
centric and not a merger of the two

784
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,720
saying okay this is what they're telling

785
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,880
us who are these people

786
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,559
let's figure out something about these

787
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,480
people to see why they're telling us

788
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,120
this or why they might tell us this

789
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,279
and try to get an understanding

790
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,200
and that's not a lexicon of a

791
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,600
questionnaire that talks about the

792
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:15,520
height of the ufo how big it is the

793
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,559
azimuth the speed did it land

794
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:20,399
what did you see did you see a light in

795
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,080
the sky the event not the combination

796
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,159
yeah i started whining about this a

797
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,559
couple years ago and yeah and um you and

798
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,919
i have talked about on this show i've

799
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,080
talked about it on my show and i'm glad

800
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:34,159
it's emerging as as something that

801
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,520
people should start to consider and i

802
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,919
think some people are considering it and

803
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,000
questionnaires and interviewing

804
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,480
techniques i think are changing a little

805
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,000
bit the only problem is trying to

806
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,679
integrate that with old

807
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,279
reports where they did not ask those

808
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,880
questions as you say

809
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,159
you know what happened before what

810
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,320
happened after what happened you know

811
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,240
what was what was going on in your life

812
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,399
what happened three minutes before what

813
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:58,320
weird thing happened you know there's

814
00:30:01,430 --> 00:30:00,080
there's all kinds of paranormal things

815
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:01,440
that happened before and especially

816
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,399
after

817
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,480
um some kind of close encounter my

818
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:06,000
favorite are the you know weird phone

819
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,360
calls or like knocks on the door

820
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:09,279
nobody's there and then five minutes

821
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,880
later they walk out they go what's

822
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:12,240
what's going on outside and they walk

823
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,520
outside and there's something hovering

824
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,520
over the house that kind of thing

825
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:18,000
which indicates there's some sort of a

826
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:21,520
field of of weirdness coming upon you i

827
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,399
suppose

828
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,320
uh that that i i guess that's i'm

829
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,399
already shoving a model on to it but i

830
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,480
think these things are significant

831
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:30,080
well that thing is a very important

832
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,200
thing

833
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,000
what happened in your life this is your

834
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,320
first experience is there a history of

835
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,000
people in your family having weird

836
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,720
things happen and you don't have to

837
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,480
feed them what it might be because i

838
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,960
think that's bad technique you want them

839
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,159
to tell you

840
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,360
what happened not to try to please you

841
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,679
or to respond to you in the way they

842
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,440
think they should answer

843
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,120
yeah and a lot of people doing this are

844
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,640
kind of just getting into it so they're

845
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:58,720
very excited about it and they don't

846
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:01,360
um they don't have the uh i think they

847
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:04,320
probably don't have the detachment that

848
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,919
a a weary ufo researcher has after many

849
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:10,080
years where they just say you know screw

850
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,600
it let me just see what they you know

851
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,440
what the person says instead of trying

852
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:15,039
to find out where they're coming from

853
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:15,679
and

854
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,880
subconsciously uh

855
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,799
i think a lot of abduction researchers

856
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,720
did that even though they

857
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,880
they will fight and say they didn't

858
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,559
uh that after a while they had a certain

859
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:28,320
idea about the way things should be and

860
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,440
i think that

861
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,440
subconsciously or not

862
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:33,600
things were steered in that direction

863
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,159
in the sometime in the 80s i think

864
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,440
bufora or at least british

865
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,440
abduction researchers decided to not use

866
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,120
hypnosis anymore

867
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,760
and i have yet to see what they reported

868
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,279
they said that things started getting a

869
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,960
little less

870
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,799
regimented and a little weirder and a

871
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,640
little less uh

872
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,320
standard story at that point which is

873
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:55,840
exactly what you'd expect you know if

874
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,080
you stopped hypnotizing people and

875
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,039
asking him the same questions

876
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,760
and again some abduction researchers

877
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,519
give me the impression

878
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:07,440
that they're looking for an answer and i

879
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:08,720
think the worst offender one of the

880
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,640
worst offenders is dr david jacobs

881
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:14,960
uh i don't like to

882
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,440
um criticize people but i'll criticize

883
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,320
jacobs and agree with you

884
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,080
if it gets severe enough like that yeah

885
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,320
i start to think you know it's

886
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,720
he's so far into what he's into that

887
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,480
it's he's lost

888
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:30,399
objectivity which is

889
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,080
really bad for anything especially

890
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,720
abduction stuff especially uh paranormal

891
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,080
research

892
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,799
and when someone like dr jacobs and i'm

893
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:40,880
sure he's sincere in what he does

894
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,600
says that just about every abduction

895
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:45,440
encounter

896
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,240
he

897
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,240
investigates seem to fall within this

898
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,640
range well that's because you're looking

899
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,640
for that range you're asking questions

900
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:54,640
that will bring out that

901
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,279
type of material and i think people who

902
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,240
come to you would in large part be

903
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,480
coming to them to affirm

904
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,760
what they think might have happened this

905
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,080
is again like the echo chamber for

906
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,159
beliefs about politics or religions or

907
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:09,760
anything or ufos

908
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,360
you look towards the people who support

909
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,960
what you have to say

910
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,640
so if you think these are star beings

911
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,960
from zeta reticuli well that's going to

912
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,559
be it you know why i keep mentioning

913
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:22,799
that by the way there is a woman

914
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:25,600
who posts this seminar online

915
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:28,880
or a link to it on facebook and it's

916
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:31,840
about roughly entitled meet the star

917
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,480
beings from zeta reticuli so what i do

918
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,480
is i respond i should create an

919
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,200
autoresponder here and i respond that

920
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,760
zeta reticuli is a binary star system

921
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:44,320
they've found no evidence of exoplanets

922
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:45,279
there

923
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,720
and one of the stars i think it's zeta2

924
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:50,480
is surrounded by

925
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,679
dust

926
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:53,279
or debris

927
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,240
and

928
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,240
yeah i'm kind of having

929
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,799
fun goofing on them but i want people to

930
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,640
ask questions like that

931
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,320
okay you say you're from this place how

932
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:04,399
do i know that why because that's the

933
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:07,760
star map that marjorie fish produced

934
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,960
for the barney and betty hill case

935
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,639
yeah well that's that's something

936
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,800
everybody latched on to and then later i

937
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:16,320
think they found out that it wasn't

938
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,440
really

939
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,280
uh that was her conclusion but it

940
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:21,440
there's a lot of reasons why and i can't

941
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,320
eliminate them right now so shoot me uh

942
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,399
why it was probably a mistake and it

943
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:28,079
could be applied to any number of

944
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,440
different uh

945
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,839
uh star systems or arrangements of stars

946
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,240
uh depending on what the what uh angle

947
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,839
you were looking at them at

948
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:37,119
um

949
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:38,560
and uh

950
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,440
you know it's it's um

951
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:43,520
it's it's hard to

952
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,040
research something without having an

953
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,159
idea of it but it's also as you say as

954
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:50,720
we've been talking about it's hard to

955
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,440
um keep you know keep an objectivity on

956
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,200
it it's it's that's probably the the

957
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,520
hardest part of the research is to be is

958
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,240
to step back from it uh and we need more

959
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:02,000
you know it'd be nice to have more

960
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,520
people doing that i think some people

961
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,920
are um things are changing and and

962
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,520
that's good somebody asked me the other

963
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,599
day they said you you know is it i think

964
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:11,440
it was aaron gulias when i had him on my

965
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,599
show when we were in canada there

966
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,760
um he said you think it you know is it

967
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:17,599
is everything gone to hell and

968
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,119
um the the field is completely destitute

969
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,880
and you should be dropped and all that

970
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,880
and i said no i see lots of hopeful

971
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:27,280
signs actually i see people saying

972
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,560
things that i never thought i'd heard

973
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:30,800
them say hear them say you know 10 years

974
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:33,680
ago so i i do have hope and the other

975
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:34,640
thing is

976
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,599
on my show we for about a year or so i'd

977
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,960
have people on and we'd just complain

978
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:41,040
about how horrible ufology was and then

979
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,640
at some point i thought

980
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,720
why don't i just cheerlead the stuff i

981
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,720
think is great and wonderful and forget

982
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,640
about complaining

983
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,880
it's a it's a it's the robert anton

984
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:53,440
wilson winter script thing i think

985
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,400
and um yeah i miss some stuff but i also

986
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,280
i've discovered so many cool wonderful

987
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,760
this looks really promising things

988
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,560
and um and pursuing those things

989
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:05,760
especially with things having to do

990
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:08,240
outside of ufology um that would inform

991
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,839
it like psychology and cognitive

992
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,480
psychology and and uh to some extent

993
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,560
physics and information theory and

994
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:16,400
things like that and the thing that

995
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,680
happens

996
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,760
also with that is

997
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:21,440
you know you don't get completely upset

998
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,400
by the the craziness and the wackiness

999
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,119
of the ufo field because

1000
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:29,520
the things that go on are pretty crazy

1001
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,040
and as i have learned over the years if

1002
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people are going to really attack you

1003
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:37,680
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1004
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sort of should ignore them but i can't

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1109
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,280
player and what was the trick that peter

1110
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,960
frampton used to do with the talking

1111
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,160
guitar

1112
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:42,880
oh yeah he would put it through a um

1113
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,680
like a wawa pedal or something my son

1114
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,160
has a wawa pedal which he was just about

1115
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,960
to learn how to really use and i think i

1116
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,800
still have it here somewhere

1117
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,160
except then

1118
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:56,319
he moved to spain and he started a new

1119
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,359
life

1120
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,680
as a teacher and hasn't gotten back to

1121
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,960
it because he hasn't picked up his

1122
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,960
fender stratocaster which is still here

1123
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,440
black by the way i paid a bundle for it

1124
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:08,000
and he's got a really great violin and i

1125
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,119
got it here

1126
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,720
and it's waiting for him if he ever

1127
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,520
tries it and the amplifier and the wawa

1128
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,200
pedal and a few other things maybe a

1129
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,599
fuzz box or something yeah play around

1130
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,880
with it and see if you can get good

1131
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,720
sound out of it i've i've got one

1132
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,319
electric guitar it's the only one i've

1133
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:24,720
ever had in my entire life it's a le bae

1134
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,079
2x4 copy which is the the guitar that

1135
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,319
the devo used when they first came out

1136
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,319
so basically it looks like a 2x4 like a

1137
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,560
plank of wood with a neck on it and

1138
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,680
pickups

1139
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:37,359
so yeah next time i'm on maybe i'll

1140
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:40,480
bring that bring that new and uh blast

1141
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,839
the uh

1142
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,000
the the back an ounce back with my divo

1143
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,720
guitar yeah it's very interesting here

1144
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,800
there was this song that devo did the so

1145
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,280
famous whip it whip it good

1146
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:53,280
people thought it was about

1147
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,240
you know

1148
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,720
sadio masochism or something whip it it

1149
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,040
wasn't it never was

1150
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,280
no it's about doing what you should be

1151
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,440
doing it's it's a very life-affirming

1152
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,040
get off your butt and do something

1153
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,839
useful song and i've i have no problem

1154
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:09,599
with that either it's wonderful it's an

1155
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,040
anthem for for kick and butt really

1156
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,520
yeah the more i hear about those guys

1157
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,040
they're pretty smart people in fact i

1158
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,960
think one of them still writes music for

1159
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,800
tv shows or something

1160
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:22,560
mark mothers ball writes

1161
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,160
uh music for tv shows movies commercials

1162
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,400
he's worked with wes anderson a lot

1163
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,240
they keep touring

1164
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,400
they toured last year and played

1165
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,480
music from before their first album

1166
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,079
which i never thought they'd play which

1167
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,599
is my favorite period of theirs because

1168
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:39,280
it sounds like nothing else it's

1169
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,160
completely off the map of pop music and

1170
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,920
it's uh i mean i i guess it's

1171
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,599
experimental but it's uh you know

1172
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:47,040
they're songs with lyrics and all that

1173
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,760
but

1174
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:50,000
completely not anything sounds like

1175
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,440
nothing else to me

1176
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,119
so i really like it

1177
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,160
well they found this schtick that works

1178
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,319
and the fact that they found a way to

1179
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:59,520
make a living

1180
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,119
doing what they enjoy i think that's

1181
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,800
commendable and remember when you're

1182
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,440
writing for tv in the movies

1183
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,280
you got to be pretty darn good

1184
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,760
i mean you've done work in

1185
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,280
the entertainment industry you know what

1186
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,359
i'm talking about it's not an easy thing

1187
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,359
to accomplish and these people who could

1188
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,480
do theme songs from multiple tv shows

1189
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,920
and just sit there and they sometimes

1190
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:21,520
will record them live as they're

1191
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,880
watching

1192
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,160
the show

1193
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:26,319
and they do it every single week for 22

1194
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,280
weeks

1195
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,839
and then they do it for multiple shows

1196
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,079
yep i can't believe it's like

1197
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,400
the composer for like super girl and the

1198
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,560
flash and the arrow same guy

1199
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,000
how do you do that

1200
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:39,680
uh you do it for a long time you have a

1201
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:42,880
natural uh talent that uh

1202
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,000
has been honed over years and years and

1203
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:48,560
years like if you get really good at it

1204
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,280
decades usually you get really good at

1205
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,119
it your name is john williams and he's

1206
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,040
what 88 or something

1207
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,119
yeah he's he's still going i can't

1208
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,800
believe it i think it's amazing i didn't

1209
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,800
realize this until i got the collection

1210
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,880
and look at the composer he did the the

1211
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,440
theme song for lost in space which is a

1212
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,440
great theme song both of them the first

1213
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:09,119
version in the second version

1214
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:10,720
he's 84.

1215
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,440
fellow new yorker floral park new york i

1216
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,440
hear he's a really nice guy

1217
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,359
at a certain point i think some people

1218
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,440
when they get good at what they do and

1219
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,880
they become very comfortable with what

1220
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,760
they do

1221
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,240
they tend to be very nice people um i've

1222
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,000
met you know

1223
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,560
various famous people and uh i've had

1224
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,319
the you know luck to meet them when i

1225
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,920
worked on a tv show and various other

1226
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,760
things and if they're really good at

1227
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,520
what they do they're generally pretty

1228
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,440
nice because they're very happy because

1229
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:39,119
they're doing exactly what they want to

1230
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:40,160
do

1231
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:41,680
in fact if there's some famous person

1232
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,480
that is you know is a dick it's probably

1233
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:45,680
because they don't really want to be

1234
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,160
doing that thing

1235
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,319
well i'm looking here at the top 10

1236
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:52,160
lists from john williams

1237
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:54,160
saving private ryan

1238
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,680
harry potter

1239
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,400
schindler's list of course superman

1240
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:00,960
of course e.t close encounters of the

1241
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,760
third kind indiana jones jaws jurassic

1242
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,319
park star wars but he's as you say he's

1243
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,800
done many many others over the years

1244
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,560
yeah and then another person who's done

1245
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:13,200
a lot of stuff is danny elfman

1246
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,240
yes uh he uh

1247
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,560
oyengo boingo played for free at my

1248
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,680
school

1249
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:22,160
uh in 1981

1250
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:23,359
and

1251
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,560
uh

1252
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,640
when i saw that concert i didn't realize

1253
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,560
music could sound like that and i was

1254
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,800
completely insanely blown away you know

1255
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,640
because i was i was just starting to

1256
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,240
listen to like you know the b-52s and

1257
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,680
the ramones and all that stuff and then

1258
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:38,240
oingo boingo comes along which is about

1259
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,440
a light year

1260
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:41,760
beyond even you know all the traditional

1261
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,720
1960s 70s stuff so that that's my

1262
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,200
imprint era is like the early 80s late

1263
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,359
70s early 80s through the 80s that's

1264
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,839
kind of my imprint era but yeah elfman

1265
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,000
that he's another guy that uh started

1266
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:56,160
out they started out doing cabaret like

1267
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,280
uh musics cabaret music stuff um there's

1268
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,720
recordings of it the mystic knights of

1269
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,240
the oingo boingo i think was the name of

1270
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,000
the band at the first and their first

1271
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,920
incarnation they were on if you look on

1272
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,000
the um youtube you can find ongo boingo

1273
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,480
on the gong show

1274
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,240
they were together at that point in the

1275
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,960
70s so yeah and and then he's you know

1276
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,280
parlayed it into uh

1277
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,680
very lucrative and and uh

1278
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:21,760
very uh

1279
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,560
uh

1280
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,880
what is it illustrious career as a as a

1281
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,520
as a film composer and he like and what

1282
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:29,280
he's another person that's very good at

1283
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:29,920
it

1284
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,480
um i met him one time he's a very nice

1285
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:34,079
friendly you know

1286
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:34,880
uh

1287
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,520
him

1288
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:40,880
i'm just looking at the list here he

1289
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,440
also does the simpsons by the way

1290
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:45,359
yes yeah i think that's probably it's

1291
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,319
probably uh five generations of elfman's

1292
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:49,920
after him will be still be thanking him

1293
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,440
for that simpsons uh music

1294
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,240
well that show will never end

1295
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,839
no it won't it's like that south park

1296
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,200
thing where they keep trying to come up

1297
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,440
with a different um a different scenario

1298
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,040
or different story and somebody keeps

1299
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,280
yelling simpsons did it simpsons did it

1300
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:06,480
everybody's mad and it's like well

1301
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:08,560
they've been going on so long 20

1302
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:10,560
something years how could they not have

1303
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,280
you know

1304
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:13,440
mined every story you could possibly

1305
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:14,400
think of

1306
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,359
so

1307
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:17,599
it's like how many different voices does

1308
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,319
hank azaria have

1309
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,319
i have no idea i mean i know he's the

1310
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,559
prince oh no no that's that's uh

1311
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,920
harry shearer

1312
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,000
who is hank azarian who play who does he

1313
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,240
play on the simpsons everybody except

1314
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:31,920
the main characters i think he plays a

1315
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:34,720
lot of them i have to look up his name

1316
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:37,359
of course he also plays on ray donovan

1317
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,920
as you know as an actor he's also plays

1318
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:42,000
a mean electric guitar which they had

1319
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,599
him do

1320
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:46,240
that

1321
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,510
chief wiggum

1322
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,839
carl and just listening to the you know

1323
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,920
he does a whole bunch of different

1324
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:58,319
voices here anka's area plays a mean

1325
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:00,839
electric guitar not a bad

1326
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,599
singer by the way and you look here it

1327
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,359
says steve's done this smurfs and he's

1328
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,440
done this and he's done that and he's a

1329
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,680
good actor

1330
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:12,240
and that's amazing i i think

1331
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,559
he's more in the tradition of mel blanc

1332
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:18,240
really why do you say that because mel

1333
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,520
blanc was an immensely good actor

1334
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:24,000
okay yeah okay i was thinking mel mel

1335
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,520
brooks for some reason mel blanc yeah

1336
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:28,319
yeah yeah um i've got recordings of mel

1337
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,599
blanc doing anti-drug ads from the 1970s

1338
00:49:34,540 --> 00:49:32,800
i think

1339
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,550
in his cartoon voices

1340
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,040
[Laughter]

1341
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,559
and he's buried in the hollywood forever

1342
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,880
cemetery right about two miles from me

1343
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:42,480
here on his gravestone it says that's

1344
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,520
all folks

1345
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,599
mel blanc man of a thousand voices i

1346
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,640
think

1347
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,800
right he had an amazing amount of voices

1348
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,280
sound effects and on the old jack benny

1349
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,000
radio show he played the car the sound

1350
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:55,520
of the car

1351
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,319
any of a thousand different characters

1352
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,040
who'd appear but you'd watch him on tv

1353
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,680
he was an amazing comic actor

1354
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:05,520
because there's a scene where jack benny

1355
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,599
wants to buy a present for someone for

1356
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,119
christmas

1357
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,359
as announcer don wilson i think and he

1358
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,200
goes to this

1359
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:15,119
booth over in an apartment store and mel

1360
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,880
blanc is a salesman and he keeps

1361
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:21,119
buying something and returning it and

1362
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,400
you're watching

1363
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,440
mel blanc this amazing comic actor

1364
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,319
physically disassembling

1365
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,240
each time this is happening until he's

1366
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,920
in hysterics

1367
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:33,760
because this crazy guy keeps driving him

1368
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,150
and you know what's true a lot of

1369
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:40,079
comedians who can do it anyway why are

1370
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,680
we doing this i don't know

1371
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,200
i don't know either we started out with

1372
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,640
the composers

1373
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,640
of different movie themes

1374
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,240
and that's okay because of the fact that

1375
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,119
you've been in and around

1376
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,280
show business but let's get back to the

1377
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:55,359
paranormal universe and what i want to

1378
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,800
talk about the next segment is

1379
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sometimes it's a theory of gradual

1380
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:02,319
disclosure we're discovering more and

1381
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,200
more

1382
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,359
possible life-bearing planets in the

1383
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universe including a more recent

1384
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,200
discovery one of the

1385
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stars

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00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:12,640
of alpha centauri which is what binary

1387
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,000
star system and we may have

1388
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,119
another candidate for earth 2. not zeta

1389
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,680
reticulide they haven't found exoplanets

1390
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,240
on zeta reticuli but they sure as heck

1391
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:26,960
have found them in a lot of other places

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we've got more places to go things to do

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we're talking to greg bishop

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chris o'brien is on his way with gene

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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

1455
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:15,200
and now

1456
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:23,990
with greg bishop gene steinberg chris

1457
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:26,240
o'brien on his way on the power cast let

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00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,440
me tell you something first of all

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before we go on if you'd like to get the

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00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,829
so you get that better quality audio we

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also give you the after the powercast

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podcast

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00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,319
which is me and chris and greg and lots

1467
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:49,760
of other people

1468
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and we talk about all sorts of

1469
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:53,359
interesting things sometimes we catch

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greg

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on the road like we caught him once at

1472
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,119
the texas school book depository right

1473
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,720
around there the scene of the kennedy

1474
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:02,960
assassination another time he was in

1475
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,359
canada a lot of interesting location

1476
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,359
work and sometimes we just start an

1477
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,280
interview here we just can't finish it

1478
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,040
we start an interview here and then we

1479
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,599
continue there and we also have show

1480
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,599
transcripts more coming

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00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:17,440
we also have

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00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:21,839
classic episodes more videos transcripts

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00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,559
and my dog sings chopin which is two

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chapters of a book that chris wrote with

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ray stanford to learn more and to learn

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how to sign up and it's a low

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let's talk about real-life possible

1489
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,839
sources for e.t and there's a story

1490
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,079
in the new york times don't argue with

1491
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:46,000
me over liberal media this is science

1492
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,880
folks

1493
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,640
one star over

1494
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,799
a planet that might be

1495
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,079
another earth

1496
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,079
astronomers announced that they detected

1497
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,280
a planet orbiting proxima centauri part

1498
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,760
of alpha centauri the closest neighbor

1499
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:01,440
to our solar system like four and a half

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00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,680
light years away which means of course

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00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,359
it would take us hundreds of thousands

1502
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,920
of years to get there unless we use warp

1503
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,160
drive but this one have you read about

1504
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:13,440
this greg it's 1.3 times the size of

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00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:14,400
earth

1506
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,680
orbits the star in like 11.2 days if i'm

1507
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,760
taking this from memory forgive me if

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00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,280
i'm way wrong

1509
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:22,799
okay because i've been wrong

1510
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,079
occasionally

1511
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,040
but when you consider this wait a minute

1512
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,480
how many life-bearing planets are there

1513
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,680
hmm

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00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,599
craig i don't know how many there are

1515
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,880
but um

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00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:37,440
they're just by the you know the simple

1517
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,720
laws of

1518
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,240
probability there's

1519
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,760
probably you know

1520
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,440
thousands or hundreds of thousands or

1521
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,200
millions of planets that could support

1522
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:47,440
life i read something

1523
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,880
recently where

1524
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,240
you know there's always something from

1525
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:52,079
some university and somebody has an idea

1526
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,839
so they get they get clickbait out of it

1527
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,599
on these different news sites but the

1528
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,079
what fascinated me was that they and i

1529
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,920
can't remember who scientists who it was

1530
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,160
or what uh university but they

1531
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,040
the idea that uh they were putting forth

1532
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:07,280
uh either a team or a scientist was was

1533
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,280
that the um the earth is is relatively

1534
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,920
quick starter because according to their

1535
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,599
mathematical models of what you know the

1536
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:18,160
way life should uh should develop

1537
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,599
that the earth did it fairly quickly so

1538
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,040
that we might be

1539
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,200
kind of ahead of the curve and if any

1540
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:27,200
other life is around um it might be

1541
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,640
coming in you know

1542
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:30,400
a few more million years or billions of

1543
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:31,280
years

1544
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,799
and the problem with that is we probably

1545
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,160
couldn't detect it from here unless i

1546
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,839
started sending out radio signals of the

1547
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,960
kind that

1548
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,960
we could hear and understand as

1549
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,280
something that was radio signals

1550
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,359
the other thing is uh when you said zeta

1551
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:46,000
reticuli uh i went and looked i said

1552
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,599
well maybe it's just because we're

1553
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,280
seeing it you know as it was thousands

1554
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,040
or millions of years ago and it doesn't

1555
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,280
and it hasn't developed any any planets

1556
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,200
but no it's only 39 light years away so

1557
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,680
what we're seeing is only 39 years old

1558
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,520
so whatever's going on there is fairly

1559
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:01,839
contemporary in terms of uh

1560
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,200
cosmic uh time the one around proxima's

1561
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:08,000
proxima b centauri the the the the red

1562
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:09,520
dwarf i guess

1563
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,960
that's right that's yeah that's what

1564
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,960
that's four light years away it's even

1565
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,720
actually it's slightly less than that

1566
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:16,720
it's four some odd light years away i

1567
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,319
have to look at the actual dimension

1568
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:20,720
yeah so whatever's going on there is is

1569
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:23,359
pretty much what's going on now

1570
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:24,640
i don't think they've announced whether

1571
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,359
it's

1572
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:27,359
it has liquid water or some kind of

1573
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,720
atmosphere it's just it has the

1574
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:30,880
potential to have such a thing

1575
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,280
um and i don't know how long uh you know

1576
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,160
a planet would need circling a red dwarf

1577
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:37,920
which is i guess what happens to a star

1578
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,359
and later in its life to have life on it

1579
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,040
i don't know how long a star stays a red

1580
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,960
dwarf what a billion years or i don't

1581
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,160
know i don't know what the lifetime of

1582
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,720
stars are so there's a lot of factors in

1583
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:50,079
there which

1584
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,920
if you read down further in some of

1585
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:53,200
these articles they're trying to warn

1586
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,400
you about it's like

1587
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,839
this is not an announcement that there's

1588
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,520
life underwear there's an it's an

1589
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:59,119
announcement there's there's a

1590
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:02,319
earth-like planet fairly close to us

1591
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:03,760
and it would take what if they had one

1592
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:05,359
of those light sail things that go it

1593
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,799
can speed up almost to the speed of

1594
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,400
light it might take you know 10 years to

1595
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,160
get there or something instead of

1596
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,559
hundreds or thousands so there's been

1597
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:14,079
ideas about that

1598
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,599
uh about sending a probe there or

1599
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,119
something but i don't think that's gonna

1600
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,040
get off the ground because uh

1601
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,599
it's probably a low probability uh

1602
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:23,920
low probability um shot in the dark to

1603
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,480
try and figure out if this you know this

1604
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,240
this star or this planet around the star

1605
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:30,240
actually could support or does support

1606
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,240
any sort of life and also you know for

1607
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,079
them for the most part i think that most

1608
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,839
uh most planets

1609
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:37,599
the huge amount of their

1610
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:38,400
uh

1611
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,520
the greater

1612
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:41,680
time on the planet there's life is

1613
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,720
probably just microbial or very

1614
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:46,480
small i mean that's on the order of

1615
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,760
probably

1616
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:49,359
who knows i don't know what a lifecycle

1617
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:51,200
plan it is but you you would figure that

1618
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,880
the the more simple forms are the ones

1619
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,200
that take up most of the time of the uh

1620
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,200
evolution on the planet

1621
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,280
the other thing here is that

1622
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:01,280
because we're talking about an aging

1623
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,200
star here there may have been a

1624
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,520
civilization there

1625
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:07,119
long long ago

1626
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:10,799
right but it's dead and buried by now

1627
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:13,599
yeah as perhaps mars might be

1628
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,799
which is still something that kind of

1629
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,559
fascinates me based on mac tony's book

1630
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,319
that after the martian apocalypse i kind

1631
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,720
of stuck that idea in my head there was

1632
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:22,160
some kind of civilization there and it

1633
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,119
just

1634
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:25,040
was destroyed ecologically or destroyed

1635
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,640
itself and it's you know since it's like

1636
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,480
you know it was two billion years ago

1637
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:30,559
there's no really any trace of it except

1638
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,079
possibly what you would say are the

1639
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:34,000
structures that people talk about

1640
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:37,119
the dead sea bottoms of barcelona

1641
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:38,960
don't know what you're referring to

1642
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,599
edgar rice burroughs john carter

1643
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,920
oh okay i don't know about uh

1644
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,240
uh burrows that much i i've i stopped

1645
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,920
reading fiction when i was a a very

1646
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,200
small child

1647
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:51,359
there's something wrong with me i guess

1648
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,440
what about comic books

1649
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:55,520
uh i read underground comic books in

1650
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,400
junior high school and that was about it

1651
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,400
meaning i didn't read the regular comic

1652
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:03,119
books i i read i was a big fan of von

1653
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:06,160
bowday if anybody knows who that was

1654
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:07,200
um

1655
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,200
he did underground comics with you know

1656
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,520
like naked women in it and stuff so you

1657
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:13,280
know that was great for me i was you

1658
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,359
know 13 12 13 years old so it was

1659
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:17,119
perfect

1660
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,040
but no never a fan of the mainstream

1661
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,880
comics i've read a few of my new friends

1662
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,040
that had them and i just never got into

1663
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,160
it what about the movies

1664
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:28,240
comic book movies i

1665
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:30,079
you know what that all the time i spent

1666
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:31,440
in um

1667
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:32,880
post-production

1668
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:35,599
inoculated me against most movies i

1669
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,920
don't really see too many i saw the ones

1670
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,359
that i did see when i was you know

1671
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:41,280
working you know the last

1672
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:45,040
comic book movies i saw were like the um

1673
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:47,599
the iron man movies uh those i like

1674
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,119
those a lot

1675
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:51,200
but yeah at this point i'm not really

1676
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:52,720
interested in the marvel universe or

1677
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,599
anything like that what is interesting

1678
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,680
back to our subject coming up is that

1679
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:59,200
that movie arrival that's going to be

1680
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,480
out next month

1681
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:02,720
tell us about that movie

1682
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:05,119
it is based on a story called and joshua

1683
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:07,359
cutchen told me about this

1684
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:09,200
it's based on a short story from the

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01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:14,950
which is

1686
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,040
and and the movie sticks sort of this

1687
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:19,440
part of the story it's the story of a

1688
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:21,680
scientist that has to figure out

1689
01:02:25,030 --> 01:02:22,559
um

1690
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:25,040
what what language an alien race is

1691
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,640
speaking they appear all over the earth

1692
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:28,160
and then they try to make contact with

1693
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:28,880
us

1694
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:32,400
apparently wait till we figure out their

1695
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,359
language

1696
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:35,520
so there's a scientist who's a linguist

1697
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:36,720
and she's trying to figure out their

1698
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:38,079
language i think she's played by amy

1699
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,119
adams

1700
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:41,119
and um

1701
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:42,880
of course this hits all my buttons you

1702
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,680
know alien language uh you know

1703
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:47,280
linguistics all that stuff because of

1704
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,119
the mario pazzaglini stuff and the alien

1705
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:51,520
writing that i'm interested in

1706
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:53,280
i'd like to see what they use out of

1707
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:54,880
that because i'm sure they've used some

1708
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:58,000
of the uh the ideas that he came up with

1709
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:58,720
but

1710
01:03:01,589 --> 01:03:00,160
she has to figure out the language so

1711
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:01,599
that they so that they can figure out

1712
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:03,200
what's going on with this you know other

1713
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,119
intelligence from somewhere else

1714
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,960
and their their language is not like our

1715
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:08,480
language it's uh

1716
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:09,920
i gotta find you know before we go to

1717
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,599
the when we go to the next break i could

1718
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,280
probably find the description of the

1719
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,119
story um

1720
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:17,119
the original short story called story of

1721
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,480
your life

1722
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:20,400
uh wait let me look it up i i really

1723
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:26,630
it's a it's a fascinating uh way of

1724
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:30,720
dealing with uh what kind of

1725
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what kind of content you know a

1726
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,079
different a different uh uh lens for

1727
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:36,640
contact uh with within

1728
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:39,440
with some sort of alien um

1729
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:41,359
uh civilization or consciousness or

1730
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:42,720
something

1731
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:45,680
let's break greg i found it but yeah

1732
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:48,319
greg found it you'll learn more in our

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livestock lean and healthy just by

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this is le paraqueste

1836
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:27,269
i cannot do

1837
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,560
even a fractured french accent

1838
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,640
you cannot do this french accent what is

1839
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:35,040
wrong with you you got a lassons for

1840
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,560
that minky

1841
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,400
[Laughter]

1842
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:40,960
does your dog bat yeah

1843
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,679
bad imitations of peter sellers bad

1844
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,520
imitation yeah

1845
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,000
i found the plot summary okay so the

1846
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:50,000
story is called what now

1847
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:51,759
the story of your life

1848
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,480
this is like three short paragraphs and

1849
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:56,799
it's it's vitally interesting and

1850
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:58,319
fascinating to me

1851
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:01,040
um dr louise banks is enlisted by the

1852
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,199
military to communicate with a race of

1853
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:05,839
radial symmetrical aliens who initiated

1854
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,520
first contact

1855
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,199
woven through the story are remembrances

1856
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:12,000
of her daughter the heptapods which i

1857
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:13,520
guess is the name of the what would that

1858
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:15,679
be eight eight arms

1859
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:17,679
uh what's hept i can't remember have two

1860
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:20,000
distinct forms of language heptapod a is

1861
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,239
their spoken language described as

1862
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:24,640
having free word order and many levels

1863
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:27,040
of center embedded clauses understanding

1864
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:28,799
heptapod b the written language of the

1865
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,040
aliens is central to the plot unlike its

1866
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:33,679
spoken counterpart heptapod b has such

1867
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,359
complex structure that a single

1868
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:37,920
centigram semigram which i guess means a

1869
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:40,159
word with some sort of meaning cannot be

1870
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:41,759
excluded without changing the entire

1871
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,520
meaning of a sentence when writing in

1872
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:45,520
heptapod b the writer knows how the

1873
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:46,960
sentence will end the phenomenon of

1874
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:49,120
hepta pod b is explained by the alien's

1875
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,560
understanding of mathematics and

1876
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,880
fermat's principle of least time

1877
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,960
whatever that is her understanding of

1878
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:56,400
the writing system affects the way she

1879
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,480
perceives time and suggests a

1880
01:10:02,149 --> 01:10:00,320
deterministic universe where free will

1881
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:02,159
is exercised by not affecting the

1882
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:03,440
outcome events

1883
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:04,640
of events

1884
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,640
this is reflected by the tense used in

1885
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:08,239
the story's writing a small portion of

1886
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:10,000
the story at the beginning of the end is

1887
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,760
written in the present tense indicating

1888
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,960
that the story is being written at the

1889
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,960
time of the daughter's conception

1890
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,560
the sections describing the interactions

1891
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,480
with the hep deposits list is written in

1892
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,719
the past tense the sections describing

1893
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,480
the daughter's life from birth to death

1894
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,880
and beyond are written in a future tense

1895
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,960
because learning heptapod b enables dr

1896
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:28,560
banks to know her daughter's entire life

1897
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,120
even before she agrees to conceive her

1898
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:33,360
so from this story they have created a

1899
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,360
film and if they haven't totally screwed

1900
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,920
it up it should be an amazing film and

1901
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:40,320
it's one of the few i've actually said i

1902
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:41,679
really want to see that movie when it

1903
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:43,280
comes out i think it comes out september

1904
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:45,920
12th or something the other stars jeremy

1905
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:48,320
renner you remember him

1906
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:51,280
from some of the marvel comic stories

1907
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:54,080
amy adams played lois lane in man of

1908
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:55,360
steel and

1909
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,480
batman v superman dawn of justice and in

1910
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,960
a few other films and of course forrest

1911
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:02,960
whitaker is an academy award-winning

1912
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:05,280
actor who's done movies and tv i mean

1913
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:06,560
it's really got

1914
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:08,239
a really good cast

1915
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:11,840
it's directed by dennis villeneuve

1916
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:13,600
it's got that french problem again with

1917
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,040
the name yeah

1918
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:17,600
see what's gonna happen now is anybody

1919
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,920
who is french and we have french

1920
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:22,159
listeners will hear the way i fracture

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that language

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01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:26,960
oh well it was filmed primarily in

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quebec montreal quebec

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oh really okay that's where i was just

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at when we did the last interview

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01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,520
november 11th it's coming out and it's a

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01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:37,920
fairly low budget movie

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it's

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50 million dollars they spent towards it

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01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,520
so you think though with people like

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01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:45,920
jeremy renner who appears in comic book

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01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,400
blockbusters they all probably took a

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01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:50,880
low fee to do this movie which sometimes

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01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:52,480
is a tribute to the movie because you've

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01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,040
got to think here if you've got any

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01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,679
decent sense of special effects that

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01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:59,600
could cost a lot more than 50 million

1938
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:02,000
all by itself so the actors really had

1939
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:03,840
to believe in this project

1940
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,199
yeah i think i've read some advanced you

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01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,360
know buzz for it and

1942
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:11,520
what is said is there's not really any

1943
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,280
explosions and people jumping out of

1944
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,280
helicopters or anything it's pretty much

1945
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:17,760
just a psychological thriller so

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01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,280
all these things combined make me

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01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:21,440
excited that maybe hollywood can produce

1948
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:22,960
occasionally still produce something

1949
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:25,120
interesting thought provoking and

1950
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,320
wonderful

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01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:28,640
but again this is something where it

1952
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,600
gets to be really interesting which is

1953
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,840
what do you do how

1954
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:36,239
do you communicate with an alien race

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01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:37,760
and this is one obviously it's very

1956
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:38,800
bizarre

1957
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,199
in terms of the looks it certainly looks

1958
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:43,920
quite different from a human being

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01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:45,440
and so we expect their method of

1960
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:47,199
communication would be different but

1961
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,560
then what is the form we expect from e.t

1962
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:52,719
does e.t all look

1963
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,280
like humanoids probably not we're a

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01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:57,600
happy or unhappy accident here that we

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01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,040
look like we do

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01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:01,199
the most intelligent or

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01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:03,360
second most intelligent if you count the

1968
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:04,400
dolphins

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01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:06,159
race on earth the one that's destroying

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01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,040
it

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01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:09,760
how we came about obviously is a lot of

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01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,159
happy and unhappy accidents that brought

1973
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:14,480
us to this place but i'm not so sure

1974
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:16,080
about that but you think all right

1975
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,000
that's an interesting point of view i

1976
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:19,920
think traditional science has it that

1977
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:23,120
way we're a result of accidents it may

1978
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,640
be inevitable that a humanoid species

1979
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,880
will come to dominate and come to

1980
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:30,800
develop an advanced civilization what's

1981
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:33,360
your take my take is that old alan watts

1982
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:34,719
thing where he says that watch out

1983
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:36,239
because rocks eventually will start

1984
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,600
moving around and the idea is that uh um

1985
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,080
intelligence and sentience is a inherent

1986
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:45,040
quality of matter given the right uh

1987
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:47,920
set of uh circumstances and uh uh right

1988
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,280
amount of time

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01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:51,360
if you want to stick that in a some sort

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01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:52,880
of an intel

1991
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:54,560
what's the word

1992
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:56,640
um intelligent design thing go right

1993
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:58,719
ahead but i would not agree with you so

1994
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:02,000
yeah that's my my current uh theological

1995
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:02,960
thing

1996
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,040
is that intelligence and sentience may

1997
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:07,760
be an inherent quality of of matter um

1998
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,440
which also hooks in with the idea that

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01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:12,320
uh all matter is alive and conscious and

2000
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:13,840
that the universe is an alive and

2001
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:16,000
conscious thing it's just that we're one

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01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:16,880
little

2003
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,800
uh result of that aliveness and

2004
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,560
consciousness so

2005
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:22,800
uh enough of the hippie stuff but that's

2006
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:25,199
uh hept is seven so i guess heptapod

2007
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:27,199
means they have seven arms

2008
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,880
one in the middle maybe

2009
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:30,480
i didn't look at the picture to see how

2010
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:31,840
this thing works out unless they're kind

2011
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:34,080
of off center but then we're getting

2012
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:35,360
back to one

2013
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:36,800
life is normal

2014
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:39,120
what about humanoid life i mean do we

2015
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:40,640
have people who look like us but they

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01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,880
got ridges on their heads

2017
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:44,560
i don't know i don't know if we can

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01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:46,560
assume that any other form of life that

2019
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:47,360
is

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01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:51,600
look like us i

2021
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:53,199
i have no idea

2022
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,719
in fact

2023
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:56,719
making assumptions about

2024
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,440
some other form of intelligent life i

2025
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,679
think is uh

2026
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:03,360
is fine but if you start to make

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01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:05,679
conclusions or make a working hypothesis

2028
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:06,960
out of it to the point of telling other

2029
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:08,640
people that you're right i think that's

2030
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:11,040
that's a mistake there there are many

2031
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:12,480
other ways to be

2032
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,159
what's the idea that octopuses aren't

2033
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,400
really actually uh they're not from

2034
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,480
earth because the the dna is so

2035
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:20,800
incredibly weird um i'm pretty sure

2036
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:22,719
there are from earth as far as we can

2037
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:24,800
tell they they're pretty much self-aware

2038
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,280
they use tools they you know they

2039
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:28,880
whales do the same thing so there's all

2040
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,400
kinds of different ways to have uh

2041
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:32,480
intelligence sentience uh

2042
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:33,280
and

2043
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:35,120
everything else that goes along with it

2044
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:36,719
there's those reports of what the

2045
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:39,040
humpbacks going in and breaking up uh

2046
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,800
killer whale hunts

2047
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:43,199
of other animals not even not even just

2048
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,239
uh

2049
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:46,239
other humpback whales they've been seen

2050
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:48,239
to be protecting seals

2051
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,040
uh

2052
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:51,440
gray whales

2053
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:54,000
and uh various other things that the uh

2054
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:56,239
the killer whales are after which is a

2055
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:57,520
very strange thing and they're trying to

2056
01:16:01,750 --> 01:16:00,159
figure out is it just because they

2057
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,760
are mad at the

2058
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,679
mad at the orcas or

2059
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:05,120
they just want them to stop bothering

2060
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:08,080
everybody or do they think that they

2061
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:09,120
don't see any difference between

2062
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:10,640
themselves and anything else that's

2063
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:12,719
being hunted nobody knows yet but it's

2064
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:15,360
it's it's seemingly altruistic behavior

2065
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:17,679
um and it's in a form that

2066
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,640
is not

2067
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,560
tool-using they've just they've just

2068
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:22,320
adapted very supremely well to their

2069
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:24,400
environment

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01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:26,320
given another couple billion years maybe

2071
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,000
they'll be moving off the planet too

2072
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,080
just like humans do who knows

2073
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:32,080
well i would hope we do more towards

2074
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:33,679
moving off the planet because we're not

2075
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:35,760
doing a very good job of it

2076
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,159
greg bishop is here with gene steinberg

2077
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:40,480
chris o'brien is still evidently on the

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this is da power cast

2171
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how's that yeah

2172
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:30,560
craig bishop's with me we're just

2173
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talking about a whole bunch of things

2174
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,400
but the one thing being

2175
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:36,400
what forum would life in outer space

2176
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:37,360
take

2177
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:39,600
and my response based on what you say is

2178
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yes

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01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:46,000
response

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especially when somebody says do you

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think this or this and i say yes and

2182
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:50,800
then they look at you with the dog like

2183
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the dog that's been shown a card trick

2184
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:55,520
and is much better than orr to me

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um unless the one part of the and is

2186
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:59,270
really stupid

2187
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:01,360
[Laughter]

2188
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:03,199
gotta watch out for that hand it's very

2189
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dangerous

2190
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,120
no and and not hand the end or the hand

2191
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:08,880
okay gotta watch out for that because

2192
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:10,960
that's dangerous i think

2193
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:13,040
there are lots of examples of

2194
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:16,000
intelligence or intuition that amaze me

2195
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:18,080
among what we consider to be lower

2196
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:20,159
creatures of lower intelligence like our

2197
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:22,239
little dog teddy bear

2198
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:24,239
you know has these flashes that amaze

2199
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:25,520
you

2200
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:26,400
and

2201
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,000
you know like a little trick we do

2202
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,320
sometimes is when

2203
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:32,400
barbara and i are having dinner in the

2204
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:33,520
bedroom

2205
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:35,120
sit on the floor or something sometimes

2206
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:36,480
we don't the kind of people who sit

2207
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,320
around the dining room table or

2208
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:40,080
something like that we don't want the

2209
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,440
dog in there

2210
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:43,920
licking his chops or

2211
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,360
or staring at you or staring at us so

2212
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:50,000
what we do is we have this little

2213
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,120
thing this little thing that we put

2214
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,760
like a separator or a block on the door

2215
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:58,560
and it keeps him out lately he's gotten

2216
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:59,600
very

2217
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:01,920
annoyed if you wanted to do that so i

2218
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,400
tried to throw his bone

2219
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,719
across the house

2220
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:08,400
and then grab

2221
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:11,360
the bar and set it up so he can't get in

2222
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:14,159
you can't imagine how fast he was to go

2223
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,199
get that

2224
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:17,679
bone and get back in the room before i

2225
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:19,040
could block him

2226
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:20,159
oh i thought you were going to say he'd

2227
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:21,840
gone one step further and said go ahead

2228
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:23,040
and throw the damn thing i'm still

2229
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:25,440
getting in it wouldn't run after it

2230
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:27,920
he does that too i will take a treat and

2231
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,360
i'll bring it up to his mouth and he'll

2232
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,960
look at the treat

2233
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:32,400
and i'll walk away and put it in the

2234
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:33,520
kitchen

2235
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:35,679
and i say do you want the treat

2236
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:37,840
and he looks at me and then he goes back

2237
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:39,760
to whatever he's doing

2238
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:41,120
if you try to take the bone away from

2239
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:42,880
him he growls at you

2240
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,960
leave me alone

2241
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:46,400
kind of an independent guy sometimes

2242
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,120
except when he wants something from you

2243
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,280
when he wants something from you he is

2244
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:53,280
slobbering over you he is looking at you

2245
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:55,920
with his eyes he is sitting and staring

2246
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:57,440
sometimes he climbs up on you if he

2247
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,639
wants something

2248
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:01,120
otherwise it depends

2249
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,760
sometimes he'll take one of his toys

2250
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:05,760
and he'll go up to me

2251
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,600
put the toy on my foot

2252
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:08,719
and start

2253
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:10,880
chewing it or making noise with it while

2254
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:12,800
the toy is on my foot

2255
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,560
that's a message which is pick it up and

2256
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:16,639
throw it so i can catch it

2257
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:17,840
anyway

2258
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:21,120
but any kind of creature i guess

2259
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:22,800
could develop a technology but they have

2260
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:24,800
to have thumbs right

2261
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:26,639
well they got to have some way to

2262
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,080
manipulate things octopi have wonderful

2263
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:32,320
uh way to manipulate things that the

2264
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:34,320
tentacles are i think they're highly

2265
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:35,679
efficient for doing things it's just

2266
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:36,400
that

2267
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:37,679
i don't think they've gotten to the

2268
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,120
point where they need to do anything

2269
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:41,520
except just exist so they've adapted

2270
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:42,880
like i said like the whales have

2271
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:45,440
supremely to their environment

2272
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:46,960
well of course we see some of these

2273
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:49,600
horror films we have multi-tentacled

2274
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,040
aliens

2275
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,520
so it's a natural assumption

2276
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:55,280
that that kind of creature could

2277
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:57,440
manipulate tools and such and build

2278
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:59,440
things

2279
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,880
probably a lot more efficiently than we

2280
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,159
can

2281
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:04,880
maybe so and if they you know and octopi

2282
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:07,120
are observed to do different things with

2283
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:08,480
the uh

2284
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,800
one tentacles doing one job and one's

2285
01:25:14,470 --> 01:25:12,560
doing the other one and i think they're

2286
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:14,480
you know there's have you seen that

2287
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:16,400
video they put one inside of a jar and

2288
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:18,639
it it they turn the top down and it

2289
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:24,950
which is amazing that it could one

2290
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:27,760
figure that out and and and to get have

2291
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:29,440
the grip strength with the little

2292
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:31,840
suction things on there to turn the to

2293
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:33,440
turn the uh

2294
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:36,320
cap off to get out

2295
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:38,320
so i think what they had an octopus i

2296
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,880
think in the monterey aquarium that

2297
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:42,560
escaped

2298
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:44,159
and i don't know if they had a video of

2299
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:46,159
it or what but they said that it climbed

2300
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:47,920
out of the tank crawled across the floor

2301
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:49,360
and jumped in like a drainage pipe and

2302
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,679
gone out to the sea

2303
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:53,520
was smart enough to do that it made it

2304
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:01,669
its conclusion i have had enough of you

2305
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,639
yeah

2306
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,239
well it just it got bored it knew it

2307
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,320
knew it was trapped so the amazing thing

2308
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:08,080
is it jumped out of the water and just

2309
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,000
walked across the floor for a while to

2310
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:12,800
wherever it needed to go

2311
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,960
so it's you know i don't think it's by

2312
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:16,800
chance that it that it did all these

2313
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,000
things and knew where to go to escape so

2314
01:26:24,629 --> 01:26:22,480
a lot smarter than people give it credit

2315
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:24,639
cats and dogs can get out of uh

2316
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:26,320
cages too they figure out how to pull

2317
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:28,639
the pin or whatever so

2318
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:31,040
um what's the other animal that's really

2319
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,199
really really intelligent uh

2320
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:34,800
uh ravens

2321
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:36,400
i think or the other one uh what's that

2322
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:37,440
called the

2323
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:39,679
new caledonian crow or something like

2324
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:40,800
that

2325
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:42,320
they've done tests where they can they

2326
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:43,280
give

2327
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:44,880
there's a treat or a piece of meat or

2328
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:46,480
something like that but the the thing is

2329
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:48,400
that the crow has to do about three or

2330
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:50,000
four or five different steps

2331
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,639
interconnected to use tools to get to

2332
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:54,719
that piece of meat and and the thing is

2333
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:56,400
that uh some of the crows i've tested

2334
01:27:02,870 --> 01:26:59,120
figured it out in like a minute or two

2335
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:05,510
that's where the crow flies

2336
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,560
yeah

2337
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,719
you know you raised the issue there and

2338
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,719
i'm starting to wonder about it we have

2339
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,239
some creatures

2340
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:14,639
on this planet that may have more

2341
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,120
intelligence than we have like dolphins

2342
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:19,040
and i wonder here could dolphins have

2343
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:20,320
higher order

2344
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:23,920
telepathic powers and be generating some

2345
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:26,800
of these effects with ufos partly to

2346
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:28,239
warn us

2347
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:29,360
to stop

2348
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:31,600
wrecking this planet because they live

2349
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:33,040
here too

2350
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:35,199
because why would e.t say

2351
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:37,280
get your act together here on earth it's

2352
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:40,080
not to join the galactic federation or

2353
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:42,560
to do what michael rennie is cletus said

2354
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:45,520
in day the earth stood still it is we

2355
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:47,280
live here too

2356
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,520
and you're making a mess of things so

2357
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,600
get it together so they communicate with

2358
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:53,360
us telepathically

2359
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,719
and come in a form that we understand

2360
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:59,120
ever think about it maybe the dolphins

2361
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:01,440
are really e.t in the sense they're the

2362
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:04,719
sources of ufos some intelligence

2363
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:07,120
on this planet and not a breakaway

2364
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:08,960
civilization not a bunch of nazis and

2365
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:11,840
other people going off to the south pole

2366
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:13,120
or something

2367
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:14,480
we're talking about

2368
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,679
another species

2369
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:19,280
i suppose i mean i would like to see

2370
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:21,520
some sort of a sort of evidence other of

2371
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:24,159
it other than speculation it'd be it'd

2372
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:26,000
be fascinating the only reason i would

2373
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:29,120
think in that way is because of um a

2374
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:31,520
hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy

2375
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,960
where that kind of stuff was sort of

2376
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:35,120
proposed oh no no it was the mice it was

2377
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:37,280
that mice were running experiments on us

2378
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:38,480
even though we didn't know it because

2379
01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:40,480
they're a lot smarter than us so all the

2380
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:41,920
mazes and all that were attempts to

2381
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:43,360
figure out what scientists were doing

2382
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:45,600
not not not uh

2383
01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:47,199
tests on the mice

2384
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:47,600
um

2385
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:48,960
[Music]

2386
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:50,800
i'm starting to think like i said at the

2387
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:52,320
beginning the show i'm more interested

2388
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,880
in information theory now because as

2389
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:56,480
somebody much smarter than me said

2390
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,360
recently it's it with if you think of

2391
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:01,360
the universe's information which maybe

2392
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:03,520
the dolphins do if you think of reality

2393
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:05,600
as information then

2394
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:07,920
paranormal stuff is totally normal if

2395
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,080
you think of it as physics and maybe

2396
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:12,880
mathematics

2397
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:16,719
then a lot of the stuff isn't possible

2398
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:19,120
but for information it's just all there

2399
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:21,360
and it can be created

2400
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:24,560
molded perceived or whatever by a

2401
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:26,560
human or otherwise consciousness in any

2402
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,840
way that it uh

2403
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:29,280
chooses to be

2404
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:30,159
so

2405
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:33,440
you know maybe at that level um

2406
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:35,040
the dolphins are

2407
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:38,080
manipulating uh the bits of information

2408
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:40,800
of which our reality is composed

2409
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:43,120
we gotta watch out for those

2410
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:45,040
other creatures

2411
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:46,239
i caught you in the middle of drinking

2412
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:48,800
some water sorry no i wasn't just my

2413
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,400
throat was gone

2414
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:52,560
you have to watch out for

2415
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:53,840
those other creatures and what they're

2416
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:55,600
going to do to us

2417
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:56,880
well i don't know if they're going to do

2418
01:30:01,270 --> 01:29:59,120
anything i mean

2419
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:01,280
i think it's something serious would

2420
01:30:04,390 --> 01:30:02,719
have been done by now just like people

2421
01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:04,400
saying are we being invaded well we'd

2422
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:06,800
either be already invaded or

2423
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:08,719
the world be different than it is if

2424
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:10,639
there was some outside force oh maybe

2425
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:12,320
well there's the william burrows idea

2426
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:13,840
that there is an outside force and it's

2427
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:15,440
totally evil and destructive and that's

2428
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:17,120
what's affecting us

2429
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:18,320
that's the only way he could figure out

2430
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:20,320
why people were so some people were so

2431
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:21,600
horribly

2432
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:24,320
uh incapable of of feeling anything for

2433
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:26,880
anybody else or any kind of compassion

2434
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:28,880
he said there's got to be some that it's

2435
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:30,719
so horribly evil there's got to be some

2436
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:32,239
outside force so maybe there's an

2437
01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:35,280
outside force for evil we don't have

2438
01:30:39,669 --> 01:30:37,360
evil on this show we have only good

2439
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:39,679
people gene steinberg christopher

2440
01:30:54,990 --> 01:30:53,750
thank you for listening to gcn

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01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:55,000
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[Music]

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01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:06,000
this is jerome clark author of the ufo

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01:35:10,020 --> 01:35:08,000
encyclopedia in other books you're

2552
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:10,030
listening to the peercast

2553
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:24,149
that's the frog voice by the way

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01:35:27,110 --> 01:35:26,320
yeah i just did the indian

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01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:27,120
thing

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01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:29,280
the player

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01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:30,960
okay whatever you said

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01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:36,390
okay i'll give you one political comment

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01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:38,480
take the voice of kermit

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01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:39,840
the frog

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01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:41,120
now listening

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01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:42,560
to newt gingrich

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01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:44,239
and tell me they

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01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:46,239
don't sound alike i can't remember what

2565
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:48,000
newt gingrich sounds like he hasn't been

2566
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:50,080
just quoted or whatever i guess i can

2567
01:35:55,030 --> 01:35:52,320
look him up see if he talks like this

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01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:55,040
you know paul kimball does a much better

2569
01:36:00,310 --> 01:35:57,679
kermit impersonation than i ever could

2570
01:36:02,470 --> 01:36:00,320
no newt's on fox news all the time but

2571
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:02,480
oh is he fox news yeah i hardly ever

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01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:04,719
watch tv which is probably i don't know

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01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:06,880
if that's good or bad but

2574
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:09,679
probably better for your mental health

2575
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:12,239
yeah well you know you you get you you

2576
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:14,320
get older i'm not horribly old but you

2577
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,159
get older and just kind of like you

2578
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:18,400
start it's more that filtering thing you

2579
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:19,679
start to filter

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01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:20,719
um

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01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:22,000
and you know

2582
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:23,360
not because i don't want to hear things

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01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:25,040
that i don't agree with i love hearing

2584
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:26,960
things i don't agree with but the thing

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01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:27,840
is

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01:36:30,390 --> 01:36:28,800
it's

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01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:30,400
few and far between when you hear things

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01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:32,000
that you both

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01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:33,840
agree or more importantly disagree with

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01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:35,840
that are intelligent and well thought

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01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:38,000
out that's what i look for i'd like i

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01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:39,840
like to find people that are

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01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:42,000
saying something i don't agree with that

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01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:44,239
are doing it in a way that is

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01:36:47,030 --> 01:36:46,000
compellingly

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01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:47,040
um

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01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:49,679
what sharp intelligent uh something i

2598
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:50,880
want to listen to and that doesn't

2599
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:52,400
happen very much so it keeps me away

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01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:54,080
from a lot of media i have to actually

2601
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:55,840
like most people search it out on on the

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01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:56,960
internet

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01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:57,920
um

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01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:59,520
but yeah that

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01:37:02,229 --> 01:37:01,119
there's one thing that people should do

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01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:02,239
it's to

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01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:04,239
get over themselves and actively seek

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01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:06,400
out opinions that do not agree with

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01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:08,080
theirs to see what people are saying see

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01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:09,360
what somebody you know you could be

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01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:11,360
wrong in a lot of ways and you have to

2612
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:13,600
either change your opinion or modify it

2613
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:15,520
which is i think what an intelligent

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01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:17,760
informed person does

2615
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:19,440
well you see that's one of the things we

2616
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:21,360
try to do here on the power cast is have

2617
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:23,840
a variety of viewpoints but if someone

2618
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:26,400
is just out and out crooked deceptive

2619
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:27,600
wacko

2620
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,360
we'll call him out on it

2621
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:30,960
but if someone has a different opinion

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01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:31,920
well

2623
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,800
you know there's no such thing as an

2624
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:36,239
opinion

2625
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:37,199
that

2626
01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:43,440
last time i was on i got an argument

2627
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:44,800
with chris because he said if you're not

2628
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:46,000
part of the solution you're part of the

2629
01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:47,520
problem and i got very upset with him

2630
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,119
about that

2631
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,360
and i said it is not my job to police

2632
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:53,840
the ufo community it might be yours but

2633
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:56,239
it's not mine and also the ufo community

2634
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:57,920
does not really affect the larger part

2635
01:38:01,270 --> 01:38:00,080
of the population that much so what if

2636
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:01,280
somebody's gonna spend three thousand

2637
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:03,199
dollars to go on a conspiracy cruise or

2638
01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:04,560
whatever the hell it is

2639
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:06,320
i i don't care about that now if

2640
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:09,040
somebody's asking people for money

2641
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:10,400
ripping them off to the tune of

2642
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,480
thousands of dollars with lies then that

2643
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:14,800
kind of you know over and over that kind

2644
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:18,639
of becomes a problem such as sean morton

2645
01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:20,080
but other than that i think most people

2646
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:22,159
in the ufo community are just either not

2647
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:24,960
most but some of them are just deluded

2648
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:25,840
and

2649
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,440
i don't really care if they're deluded

2650
01:38:30,229 --> 01:38:28,960
fine go on being deluded i'm not

2651
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:30,239
learning anything from you so i'm going

2652
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:31,840
to ignore you

2653
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:34,080
i think part of it is we're catering to

2654
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:36,480
a wide republic with a commercial radio

2655
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:37,360
show

2656
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:40,000
and we want to tell people wait a minute

2657
01:38:44,149 --> 01:38:41,840
there are a lot of viewpoints and we'll

2658
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:44,159
present some of them or a lot of them

2659
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:46,159
but there are also people out there who

2660
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,679
just want your money

2661
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:49,600
yes and might make hundreds of thousands

2662
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:51,760
or millions on it

2663
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:53,920
yes they might and if that's the case

2664
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:56,239
then i start to notice and the other

2665
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:58,400
thing is uh that i don't really mind if

2666
01:39:01,830 --> 01:39:00,320
people do that what i don't like is when

2667
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:01,840
chris said that i was part of the

2668
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:03,679
problem because i wasn't doing it that

2669
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:05,440
that irritated me other than that you

2670
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:07,199
know i have disagreements with friends

2671
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:08,480
all the time i don't hate chris i'm not

2672
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:10,239
mad at him but at that point i got a

2673
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:12,000
little i i think he was trying to get me

2674
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:14,480
upset and it worked

2675
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:16,000
one of the things about

2676
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:17,600
having friends of course is that they

2677
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,400
will sometimes make you mad and

2678
01:39:24,070 --> 01:39:22,239
you will make them mad even though you

2679
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:24,080
will never admit it but that's what

2680
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:25,520
happens and that's what friends are for

2681
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,920
like chris and i had a little dust up

2682
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:29,600
and i'll give you an example of this in

2683
01:39:33,669 --> 01:39:30,800
the forums

2684
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:33,679
because we had walter bosley on a couple

2685
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:36,400
of weeks back and you know walter and

2686
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:38,560
was an argument about the alejandro

2687
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:42,560
ambush so-called right alejandro rojas

2688
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:45,679
came on and he let me know like really

2689
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:46,560
really

2690
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,639
shortly before the show hey i can drop

2691
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:50,400
in maybe the second hour and i said okay

2692
01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:51,360
actually

2693
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:53,199
he dropped in like

2694
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:54,960
more than the second part of the show a

2695
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:56,239
little bit later like

2696
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:57,760
the last three or four segments until he

2697
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,840
got there he had some skype issues

2698
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:01,440
and chris says why did you tell me well

2699
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:03,440
i did tell him but maybe not with enough

2700
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:04,880
warning

2701
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:07,760
and you see i ended that discussion by

2702
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:08,480
this

2703
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:10,480
you know sometimes i will catch a guest

2704
01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:12,400
online or a potential guest and i'll say

2705
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:13,360
drop in

2706
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,880
that happened when we had red pill

2707
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,560
junkie talking about

2708
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:18,239
the

2709
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,800
event in mexico city

2710
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:24,719
and

2711
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:25,600
so

2712
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,520
i saw that richard dolan was online i

2713
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:29,040
said richard would you come on for a few

2714
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:30,080
minutes and he said look i've got

2715
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:32,560
another show to record this is something

2716
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:35,520
he didn't say exactly he texted it but

2717
01:40:41,109 --> 01:40:37,760
it came on last-minute guest and it was

2718
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:41,119
a pleasant 20-25 minutes so you know i

2719
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:43,280
don't mind surprises and what i told

2720
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:45,360
chris is you know what

2721
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:46,719
if you have somebody you want to bring

2722
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:49,840
on bring them on let's have fun well you

2723
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:51,440
asked me yesterday

2724
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:53,440
yes i did i asked you yesterday was that

2725
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,480
okay yeah that's fine i got a butt load

2726
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:58,960
of work to do today for um

2727
01:41:03,669 --> 01:41:01,119
uh coast to coast but it's uh it's not

2728
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:03,679
till about an hour after we finish so

2729
01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:05,920
it's fine uh i don't mind coming on at

2730
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:08,000
the last minute it's uh to talk about

2731
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:10,239
stuff i'm i'm always interested to sit

2732
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:11,600
down and talk that's why i have a show

2733
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:14,000
and a lot of friends i talk to a lot we

2734
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:15,440
might finish a couple of minutes late

2735
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:16,960
but i hope i don't make you too late to

2736
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:17,679
your

2737
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:21,360
allowing some time so that uh because

2738
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:22,719
you never know when emails are going to

2739
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:25,440
come in and there's an element of uh

2740
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:27,199
of uncertainty in some of these things

2741
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:29,679
and i i just like to have a a cushion

2742
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:30,880
because otherwise you know the show's

2743
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:32,320
starting at 10 o'clock and i'm going

2744
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:33,920
yeah stuff's not ready which has

2745
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,480
happened once or twice so

2746
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:38,400
well i've had situations here and i

2747
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:40,239
remember when i was doing traditional

2748
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:43,280
newscasting on radio and it's not like

2749
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:44,800
this where you're recording something

2750
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,280
and if i started five minutes later no

2751
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:49,440
big deal it is

2752
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:50,239
the

2753
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:54,400
and i gotta start

2754
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:57,119
and sometimes i'd be writing a story

2755
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,239
while

2756
01:42:02,390 --> 01:42:00,800
they're playing the theme music yeah

2757
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:02,400
and i ripped the thing out of the

2758
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:03,520
typewriter this is when they had

2759
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:05,600
typewriters not computers you know they

2760
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:07,199
didn't have computers

2761
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:09,280
actively on stations in the 70s of

2762
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:10,080
course

2763
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:11,840
and i'm typing something and then i have

2764
01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:15,040
to go on the air and so i fake it

2765
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:16,400
what can i do

2766
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:19,440
you know i can't say well i gotta go to

2767
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:21,679
the bathroom or i didn't finish that

2768
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:23,360
story it is

2769
01:42:27,350 --> 01:42:25,440
there you are you're on the air

2770
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:27,360
you better make it work you better have

2771
01:42:32,310 --> 01:42:29,199
that material ready

2772
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:32,320
yeah i worked for um marketplace uh the

2773
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:33,199
um

2774
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:36,000
npr show for about six months that was

2775
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,639
the most stressful job i've ever had

2776
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:40,320
and the exact same thing would be

2777
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:41,760
happening what i did was i edited

2778
01:42:46,470 --> 01:42:44,080
together the stories the audio i did the

2779
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:46,480
audio editing on you know the um the

2780
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:48,719
reporter would record their story they

2781
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:50,960
would record their lines um they'd

2782
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:53,119
record whatever interview they had a

2783
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:54,880
quote from somebody

2784
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,560
any background you know music noise uh

2785
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,480
ambience anything like that

2786
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:02,320
and then you would get a script and the

2787
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:03,760
script you would have to pull everything

2788
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:05,760
they said out of their you know the file

2789
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:08,719
they sent you and mix that all together

2790
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:10,239
make sure it sounded good make sure that

2791
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:12,000
everything was timed right and sometimes

2792
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:13,360
they would hand you this thing and it

2793
01:43:16,709 --> 01:43:15,199
would you know for a 30 second story

2794
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:16,719
sometimes it'd take me a half hour to do

2795
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:18,000
the editing

2796
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:20,000
so 30 minutes before the show's going to

2797
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:21,520
air they hand you they hand you

2798
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:23,040
everything and say here and there's a

2799
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:24,880
producer standing behind you the entire

2800
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:26,560
time looking over your shoulder saying

2801
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,239
are you done yet

2802
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:30,239
and meanwhile the you know this the show

2803
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:32,320
time is coming up and if you're lucky

2804
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:34,159
it's like halfway through or you know

2805
01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:35,199
three quarters of the way through the

2806
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:37,520
show that the the story is going to air

2807
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:39,280
but sometimes it wasn't it might be you

2808
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:40,960
know and i'm sitting there editing the

2809
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:42,400
story and it's going to be on in 10

2810
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:44,320
minutes

2811
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:46,960
on a national program so it was uh there

2812
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:48,239
was some pressure so i know what you're

2813
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:49,440
talking about

2814
01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:51,679
i understand you went to five years of

2815
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:54,159
therapy after that

2816
01:43:57,770 --> 01:43:56,000
yeah well it was self therapy but yeah

2817
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:57,780
you're right

2818
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:59,040
[Laughter]

2819
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:01,440
well this was like the same thing i'd go

2820
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:03,600
into the station about an hour before my

2821
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:05,360
first newscast

2822
01:44:08,870 --> 01:44:07,600
and i call the local police departments

2823
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:08,880
to get some

2824
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:11,040
ambulance chasing stories

2825
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,639
you know if it bleeds it leads get

2826
01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:14,880
little violence there get things started

2827
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:17,520
or the night before maybe i attended a

2828
01:44:21,669 --> 01:44:19,280
meeting of a local community i was

2829
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:21,679
working in the philadelphia area

2830
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:24,320
two counties removed from philadelphia

2831
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:25,760
chester county

2832
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:27,199
and

2833
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,840
we had all these local municipalities

2834
01:44:33,109 --> 01:44:31,440
and the bigger ones you wanted to

2835
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:33,119
provide coverage this is for the local

2836
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:35,280
people i never realized though whether

2837
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:37,199
anybody cared

2838
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:38,639
about what

2839
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:40,400
the coatesville city council and

2840
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:42,560
pennsylvania did

2841
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:44,400
and what the interplay was and what

2842
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:46,159
decisions they made did they really care

2843
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:48,560
about that i tend to think 10 people did

2844
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,280
but one of those was the station manager

2845
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:53,760
so he cared and therefore i had to do it

2846
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:54,800
even though

2847
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:57,119
nobody else really cared nobody else was

2848
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:59,119
interested

2849
01:45:03,189 --> 01:45:01,440
yeah well you have to do that uh dealing

2850
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:03,199
with your um

2851
01:45:05,510 --> 01:45:04,320
what the power structure the

2852
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:05,520
constituency or whatever you want to

2853
01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:06,480
call it

2854
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:08,480
just to get that stuff in i mean it's

2855
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:09,760
it's uh

2856
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:13,520
for instance i pick stories when i'm on

2857
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:16,719
um working uh the radio show on a coast

2858
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:18,000
radio show

2859
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:20,320
uh i picked some of the news stories

2860
01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:21,119
let's

2861
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:22,480
go into more of that in a moment we

2862
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:24,639
gotta do a break okay greg bishop

2863
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:27,360
talking shop he does work for that other

2864
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:29,760
radio show by the way

2865
01:45:38,719 --> 01:45:43,350
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2877
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2878
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2919
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2920
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2921
01:48:03,350 --> 01:47:59,750
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2922
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:03,360
standard of paranormal radio

2923
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:04,639
and now

2924
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:14,950
of course that's our friend donald duck

2925
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:17,040
and donald duck showing up for special

2926
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:20,080
appearance pretending to be greg bishop

2927
01:48:25,189 --> 01:48:23,440
chris o'brien ended up having to

2928
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:25,199
go on a special assignment so there you

2929
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:25,920
go

2930
01:48:28,709 --> 01:48:27,679
let's continue so

2931
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:28,719
you do

2932
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:31,040
work with coast to coast you're kind of

2933
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:32,800
an online

2934
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:34,400
yeah

2935
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:37,119
person is there a title for this

2936
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:39,679
a web producer

2937
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,080
okay so as the web producer you give

2938
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:44,159
them content that comes from the web or

2939
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:46,800
you update the site or what yes all that

2940
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:47,679
stuff

2941
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:49,760
yeah i i'm not sure if i'm supposed to

2942
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:52,800
talk about it anyway i did i take care

2943
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:55,840
of you know the guests um website i mean

2944
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:57,840
uh their page on the on the coast to

2945
01:49:02,390 --> 01:49:00,400
coast side i put all the links in um

2946
01:49:06,070 --> 01:49:02,400
make sure all the links are updated make

2947
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:06,080
sure there's no typos it's it's a

2948
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:08,960
sometimes not easy but um

2949
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:10,560
what my point what i was saying was that

2950
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:11,760
uh

2951
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:14,639
about different kinds of news stories

2952
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:17,199
i will put in you know the you know

2953
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:19,360
what's the latest one bigfoot berries

2954
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:21,040
trail cam or something i didn't do that

2955
01:49:24,629 --> 01:49:22,800
somebody else did but i'll put it in

2956
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:24,639
these stories but every every once in a

2957
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:26,480
while i will shove a story in there that

2958
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:28,639
takes a little bit of thought every once

2959
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:30,239
in a while i'll put in a story that

2960
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:32,880
takes a bit more thought and reflection

2961
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:34,800
and attention and

2962
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:35,679
takes

2963
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:37,760
probably you know five ten minutes to

2964
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:39,920
get through the entire story um because

2965
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:42,400
i think it's important so i'm i'm glad

2966
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:43,760
to be able to do that every once in a

2967
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:45,760
while no nobody's ever given me any you

2968
01:49:50,629 --> 01:49:48,639
know any uh a headache for it

2969
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:50,639
so it's just nice to be able to have

2970
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:51,520
some

2971
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:53,360
leeway in uh

2972
01:49:57,910 --> 01:49:55,119
a little bit of what i do there

2973
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:57,920
um also you know it's it's uh it's it's

2974
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:59,679
a job i mean i need the thing because i

2975
01:50:02,709 --> 01:50:01,360
decided not to go to back to uh

2976
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:02,719
post-production because i was tired of

2977
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:04,560
getting laid off all the time every two

2978
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:05,760
or three years

2979
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:07,280
and also i was tired of walking in some

2980
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:08,719
place every day where somebody's tapping

2981
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,000
their foot looking at you if you're a

2982
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,880
minute late i got really tired of that

2983
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:14,639
one of the tickets for that is to to

2984
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:17,040
work that show and it's not glamorous or

2985
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:19,040
anything but it's it's still interesting

2986
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:20,800
and i have to listen to the shows when

2987
01:50:24,030 --> 01:50:23,040
i'm on and sometimes it's excruciating

2988
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:24,040
as you might guess

2989
01:50:27,700 --> 01:50:25,760
[Laughter]

2990
01:50:29,590 --> 01:50:27,710
well this is george nori

2991
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,600
[Music]

2992
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:31,679
sorry i didn't mean to do that the devil

2993
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:33,679
made me do it no i understand he's a

2994
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:34,960
real nice guy so i don't want to get

2995
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:36,400
into that thing i mean people are

2996
01:50:40,709 --> 01:50:38,560
entitled to make a living yeah he's a

2997
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:40,719
nice guy i was talking about the guests

2998
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:43,040
actually sometimes the guests are so

2999
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:45,280
scattered that i actually have to make

3000
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:46,719
up a narrative

3001
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:48,480
using what they said because they make

3002
01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:50,000
no sense

3003
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:52,080
so and those are the tough ones that

3004
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:53,840
that's horrible that actually takes me a

3005
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:55,199
while so

3006
01:50:58,229 --> 01:50:56,719
and nobody's complained yet whatever

3007
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,239
narrative i make up for them they seem

3008
01:51:02,629 --> 01:51:00,719
perfectly happy with it so that's fine

3009
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:02,639
to do the write-up for the show

3010
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:05,280
well i do the write-ups obviously 99 of

3011
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:07,520
the time for the power cast chris does a

3012
01:51:11,109 --> 01:51:08,560
few

3013
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:11,119
but very very rarely does a guest come

3014
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:13,760
back to me because i send them a copy

3015
01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:16,159
and say hey wait a minute would you

3016
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:18,719
emphasize this or emphasize that

3017
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:20,960
sometimes they like it like paul david's

3018
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:22,080
last week's

3019
01:51:26,629 --> 01:51:23,040
guest

3020
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:26,639
yeah paul on cool i i saw him last month

3021
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:29,040
i've uh we hung out for a bit because he

3022
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:30,560
we had some stuff to do some stuff to

3023
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:32,320
talk about

3024
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,600
you know he surprised me i didn't know

3025
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:35,440
what to expect because it had been six

3026
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:37,520
years since we had him on paul kimball

3027
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:38,880
barnum

3028
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:40,239
in those days

3029
01:51:45,430 --> 01:51:43,520
and he went into this litany of stuff

3030
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:45,440
about the clintons because he knew bill

3031
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:47,599
and hillary clinton and about her

3032
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:49,760
interest in ufos which he regards as

3033
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:51,599
genuine although i don't expect anything

3034
01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:52,719
to happen

3035
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:54,639
over that then he went into talking

3036
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:55,840
about

3037
01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:56,960
whether

3038
01:52:01,109 --> 01:51:59,360
the late forrest j ackerman the sci-fi

3039
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:01,119
horror film legend

3040
01:52:05,589 --> 01:52:03,440
you know the fan the writer editor and

3041
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:05,599
many of us knew him i i went to his

3042
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:07,360
couple his birthday parties actually

3043
01:52:12,229 --> 01:52:10,080
yeah okay and before he came to my home

3044
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:12,239
one time for one of these

3045
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:14,560
special events from famous monsters to

3046
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:17,760
film oh yeah yeah taking the trip to one

3047
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:19,520
of the world science fiction conventions

3048
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:21,520
this is back in the 60s

3049
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:24,159
so i was the one who wrote a nice letter

3050
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:26,239
to the editor and he said i'm going to

3051
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:28,400
come over and we stayed in touch a

3052
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:30,480
little bit over the years anyway

3053
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:33,520
is he talking from beyond the grave

3054
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:36,239
that's what paul davis was talking about

3055
01:52:41,109 --> 01:52:37,920
right that's what his book is about

3056
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:41,119
right are the gang communications from

3057
01:52:47,830 --> 01:52:44,320
fj the actor monster

3058
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:47,840
and remember for ackerman was an atheist

3059
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:49,840
yes

3060
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,199
yeah the book is called atheist in

3061
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,599
heaven uh paul's book about it

3062
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:55,760
so that was fun that was certainly fun

3063
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:57,679
oh speaking of things that just happened

3064
01:53:01,990 --> 01:53:00,560
in spontaneity as you know open minds

3065
01:53:02,950 --> 01:53:02,000
alejandro

3066
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:02,960
put up

3067
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:06,239
the so-called original manuscript

3068
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:09,040
of day after roswell

3069
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:11,360
i didn't know that yeah i called dawn of

3070
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:13,920
a new age by philip corso

3071
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:15,360
this is before

3072
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:22,070
so this sort of is the

3073
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:25,360
unedited version of the book

3074
01:53:28,950 --> 01:53:26,719
is it nuts

3075
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:28,960
i don't know i got it five minutes ago i

3076
01:53:34,149 --> 01:53:32,159
know it's been online at openminds.tv

3077
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:34,159
for a while and i hadn't gotten around

3078
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:36,719
to it and then ron reguer one of our

3079
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:38,480
occasional guests

3080
01:53:42,470 --> 01:53:40,880
yeah i know ron sure

3081
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:42,480
he said did you see it i just never

3082
01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:44,400
bothered to get it i read the

3083
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:46,320
final version of the book

3084
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:47,280
and

3085
01:53:51,750 --> 01:53:50,320
he said to me as other people have that

3086
01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:51,760
the

3087
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,320
very very different

3088
01:54:01,030 --> 01:53:59,040
from what philip corso wrote

3089
01:54:02,470 --> 01:54:01,040
worse that corso was

3090
01:54:04,870 --> 01:54:02,480
in ill health

3091
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:04,880
when the book was being finalized and

3092
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:07,119
maybe didn't have the opportunity to go

3093
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:08,719
back in there

3094
01:54:13,669 --> 01:54:11,119
and clean it up clean it out

3095
01:54:15,589 --> 01:54:13,679
i don't know he was at roswell in 97 and

3096
01:54:18,149 --> 01:54:15,599
i met him and he seemed fine to me but

3097
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:18,159
maybe he was just making one big push to

3098
01:54:20,870 --> 01:54:19,760
look good but he looked fine he was

3099
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:20,880
meeting with people and talking to

3100
01:54:29,589 --> 01:54:27,109
what is your take on him

3101
01:54:31,270 --> 01:54:29,599
um he was involved intelligence for a

3102
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:31,280
long time and i think some of the stuff

3103
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:33,520
he said was for effect and not

3104
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:35,360
necessarily because it happened the way

3105
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:36,800
he said it did

3106
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:37,840
um

3107
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:39,520
and he was doing it as an intelligence

3108
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:42,320
officer and a good soldier and etc etc

3109
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:43,840
um so i

3110
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:45,040
i have

3111
01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:46,800
serious doubts that much of what's in

3112
01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:50,159
that book is is 100 true um that's i

3113
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:51,599
that was that is my

3114
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:55,040
charitable review of day after roswell

3115
01:55:00,790 --> 01:54:57,679
charitably speaking then

3116
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:02,470
uh

3117
01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:04,719
who knows um i wouldn't know what the

3118
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:06,000
purpose is

3119
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:09,119
uh except to

3120
01:55:16,229 --> 01:55:12,239
gauge how people react to it i suppose

3121
01:55:18,229 --> 01:55:16,239
um including foreign powers

3122
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:18,239
because that's one of the lenses i

3123
01:55:21,510 --> 01:55:20,000
looked things at things through the

3124
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:21,520
benowitz thing had to do with that

3125
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:23,119
basically you know

3126
01:55:27,910 --> 01:55:25,440
stirring up the pot in regards to

3127
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:27,920
weird stuff to see who comes calling

3128
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:29,840
because actually you know what some of

3129
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:31,360
it had to do with

3130
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:35,040
technology or supposedly technology

3131
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:36,320
we've gotten from the aliens and there

3132
01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:38,400
were a lot of reference to that in there

3133
01:55:41,189 --> 01:55:39,440
um

3134
01:55:43,189 --> 01:55:41,199
the military deals with a lot of

3135
01:55:45,030 --> 01:55:43,199
advanced technology and whoever comes

3136
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:45,040
sniffing around about that might be

3137
01:55:48,390 --> 01:55:46,560
somebody they're interested in so that's

3138
01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:48,400
that's kind of my take on it but

3139
01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:50,320
admittedly that's one of the filters i

3140
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:52,719
use because of my

3141
01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:54,960
my background in uh writing project beta

3142
01:56:00,790 --> 01:55:57,840
and knowing bill moore and all that

3143
01:56:04,070 --> 01:56:00,800
so this was about seeing

3144
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:04,080
how people respond to the book

3145
01:56:10,229 --> 01:56:07,199
so as i said chris was on the way

3146
01:56:12,149 --> 01:56:10,239
to this week's episode what happened

3147
01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:12,159
well friend of his had a car with a

3148
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:14,400
transmission problem

3149
01:56:19,109 --> 01:56:17,679
and that's death to a car obviously

3150
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:19,119
especially when it already had a

3151
01:56:24,629 --> 01:56:20,880
transmission replaced then it only had

3152
01:56:26,790 --> 01:56:24,639
40 000 miles on on the new one

3153
01:56:29,430 --> 01:56:26,800
which is a little irksome and of course

3154
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:29,440
it was only um

3155
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:31,760
it only had a warranty i think for 18

3156
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:34,000
000 or something 20 000

3157
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:35,840
yeah of course needless to say she's not

3158
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:37,119
happy

3159
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:39,119
oh boy

3160
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:41,280
anyway you made it he had to by the way

3161
01:56:45,350 --> 01:56:43,119
beam down because there was no way to

3162
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:45,360
get back to his home

3163
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:49,360
from where he was exactly from press kit

3164
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:52,080
that was actually prescott valley but

3165
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:52,880
yeah

3166
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:53,840
closer

3167
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:55,599
yeah it's a ways away

3168
01:56:58,470 --> 01:56:56,480
yeah

3169
01:57:00,629 --> 01:56:58,480
it's near that lake i guess before you

3170
01:57:01,990 --> 01:57:00,639
go over mingus mountain right

3171
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:02,000
no it's

3172
01:57:07,109 --> 01:57:04,560
uh over by david weatherly

3173
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:07,119
actually okay it's probably 10 less than

3174
01:57:10,229 --> 01:57:08,880
10 miles away

3175
01:57:11,669 --> 01:57:10,239
oh okay i didn't know he lived over

3176
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:11,679
there

3177
01:57:14,709 --> 01:57:13,199
oh okay

3178
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:14,719
yeah i wanted to have i you guys have

3179
01:57:18,709 --> 01:57:16,560
already had him on i i still think i'm

3180
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:18,719
gonna i had a conversation with him at

3181
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:21,119
the ufo congress and we got along

3182
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,480
famously and i want to have him on my

3183
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:24,880
show so eventually i gotta bug him about

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01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:26,000
it

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we're supposed to we're supposed to have

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him in the

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loud blackburn on in a week or two

3188
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oh okay excellent

3189
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it's gonna be more with chris o'brien

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so basically we're starting a whole new

3299
02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:14,960
discussion here now chris has shown up

3300
02:02:19,350 --> 02:02:16,800
this is kind of like the week where

3301
02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:19,360
alejandro showed up on the power cast as

3302
02:02:24,870 --> 02:02:21,920
we were talking with walter bosley

3303
02:02:27,030 --> 02:02:24,880
and i expected him about halfway through

3304
02:02:28,310 --> 02:02:27,040
and then skype became like a car's

3305
02:02:29,830 --> 02:02:28,320
transmission

3306
02:02:30,950 --> 02:02:29,840
it wouldn't work

3307
02:02:32,950 --> 02:02:30,960
so chris

3308
02:02:34,070 --> 02:02:32,960
let's talk about what you've been up to

3309
02:02:36,709 --> 02:02:34,080
lately

3310
02:02:40,229 --> 02:02:36,719
um wow yeah i've been uh

3311
02:02:42,229 --> 02:02:40,239
busier and a one-legged soccer player

3312
02:02:44,390 --> 02:02:42,239
a one-legged

3313
02:02:45,669 --> 02:02:44,400
soccer player

3314
02:02:49,109 --> 02:02:45,679
kind of hard to kick the ball with only

3315
02:02:52,310 --> 02:02:49,119
one leg you know you tend to fall over

3316
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:52,320
so if they say hop to it what do you do

3317
02:02:58,149 --> 02:02:54,480
uh that's exactly what he does what i'm

3318
02:03:00,070 --> 02:02:58,159
doing uh i was in phoenix uh this past

3319
02:03:00,870 --> 02:03:00,080
weekend

3320
02:03:03,990 --> 02:03:00,880
and

3321
02:03:06,070 --> 02:03:04,000
shooting a a conference there with ron

3322
02:03:08,470 --> 02:03:06,080
james who's a friend of the show been on

3323
02:03:09,990 --> 02:03:08,480
a number of times

3324
02:03:12,390 --> 02:03:10,000
and uh

3325
02:03:13,750 --> 02:03:12,400
a three-day shoot um you know big

3326
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:13,760
conference the

3327
02:03:20,229 --> 02:03:16,560
highest potential academy

3328
02:03:22,149 --> 02:03:20,239
sounds uh suspiciously new agey i know

3329
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:22,159
actually it's uh sales and marketing

3330
02:03:28,070 --> 02:03:24,880
skills for multi-level marketers

3331
02:03:29,990 --> 02:03:28,080
i got i learned how to read faces

3332
02:03:33,189 --> 02:03:30,000
and gene if i ever

3333
02:03:35,350 --> 02:03:33,199
read yours my goodness it would

3334
02:03:37,990 --> 02:03:35,360
it would probably be grim

3335
02:03:40,870 --> 02:03:38,000
but well it wouldn't be grumpy though

3336
02:03:43,589 --> 02:03:40,880
no actually you you don't you don't have

3337
02:03:45,910 --> 02:03:43,599
any signs of grumpiness in your

3338
02:03:48,149 --> 02:03:45,920
facial uh structure

3339
02:03:49,669 --> 02:03:48,159
just a few ticks that's all

3340
02:03:57,189 --> 02:03:49,679
yeah

3341
02:03:59,270 --> 02:03:57,199
as i'm packing up to leave on sunday

3342
02:04:01,589 --> 02:03:59,280
my phone makes this weird squawking

3343
02:04:03,830 --> 02:04:01,599
noise and uh and then other phones start

3344
02:04:06,070 --> 02:04:03,840
making a weird squawking noise

3345
02:04:08,229 --> 02:04:06,080
and so i look at it and it says uh i

3346
02:04:10,950 --> 02:04:08,239
guess it was a special

3347
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:10,960
a boob alert

3348
02:04:20,070 --> 02:04:17,109
it goes in tight

3349
02:04:23,109 --> 02:04:21,589
so i'm thinking what

3350
02:04:25,270 --> 02:04:23,119
dang they even warn you if there's you

3351
02:04:26,149 --> 02:04:25,280
know dust storms so uh you know i

3352
02:04:28,870 --> 02:04:26,159
figured

3353
02:04:31,830 --> 02:04:28,880
it said six o'clock and it was about

3354
02:04:32,550 --> 02:04:31,840
5 30 so i i wound up a couple of cables

3355
02:04:33,910 --> 02:04:32,560
and

3356
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:33,920
you know we were we were pretty much

3357
02:04:38,470 --> 02:04:36,560
done packing up and i i say goodbye to

3358
02:04:41,109 --> 02:04:38,480
everybody i go outside

3359
02:04:41,990 --> 02:04:41,119
and about a mile away is this

3360
02:04:43,350 --> 02:04:42,000
dark

3361
02:04:45,910 --> 02:04:43,360
massive

3362
02:04:47,270 --> 02:04:45,920
brown curtain boiling curtain coming

3363
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:47,280
right at me

3364
02:04:51,350 --> 02:04:49,280
and it was scary-looking it looked like

3365
02:04:53,589 --> 02:04:51,360
something out of a stephen king you know

3366
02:04:56,390 --> 02:04:53,599
like the stand or something or

3367
02:04:58,310 --> 02:04:56,400
or the the the langeliers i mean it was

3368
02:05:00,470 --> 02:04:58,320
really bizarre and

3369
02:05:03,589 --> 02:05:00,480
and so i got in my car and i just hot

3370
02:05:07,669 --> 02:05:03,599
footed it out of town and i surfed

3371
02:05:09,750 --> 02:05:07,679
a dust storm all the way out of phoenix

3372
02:05:12,310 --> 02:05:09,760
and it was the the eeriest thing you

3373
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:12,320
know yeah you could it was god it looked

3374
02:05:18,149 --> 02:05:14,800
like it was gobbling up the countryside

3375
02:05:20,390 --> 02:05:18,159
and it was moving really fast

3376
02:05:23,750 --> 02:05:20,400
they really go fast i

3377
02:05:26,870 --> 02:05:23,760
ah so anyway

3378
02:05:28,950 --> 02:05:26,880
it worked i got out of town

3379
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:28,960
august oh no this is from 20 i'm looking

3380
02:05:32,629 --> 02:05:31,119
up haboob alert which is it's an actual

3381
02:05:34,100 --> 02:05:32,639
real thing that chris is telling the

3382
02:05:36,470 --> 02:05:34,110
truth about how boob alerts

3383
02:05:37,990 --> 02:05:36,480
[Laughter]

3384
02:05:41,109 --> 02:05:38,000
yeah

3385
02:05:41,910 --> 02:05:41,119
well it almost hurt me it's not funny to

3386
02:05:43,350 --> 02:05:41,920
get

3387
02:05:45,589 --> 02:05:43,360
caught in one of those things you can

3388
02:05:46,550 --> 02:05:45,599
only see a few feet you have to pull

3389
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:46,560
over

3390
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:50,880
uh your you know cars um intake

3391
02:05:54,550 --> 02:05:52,480
system the

3392
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:54,560
air filter and you know you can really

3393
02:05:58,790 --> 02:05:56,400
mess up your car

3394
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:58,800
it's uh it's nothing to to

3395
02:06:03,270 --> 02:06:00,880
you know just kind of take lightly and

3396
02:06:05,109 --> 02:06:03,280
so i was very very fortunate that

3397
02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:05,119
you know another five minutes uh i

3398
02:06:07,589 --> 02:06:06,400
probably would have got caught in there

3399
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:07,599
i wouldn't have been able to leave for

3400
02:06:11,510 --> 02:06:09,840
quite some time so um i was

3401
02:06:12,709 --> 02:06:11,520
actually quite fortunate to get out out

3402
02:06:14,870 --> 02:06:12,719
of dodge but

3403
02:06:17,109 --> 02:06:14,880
other than that i'm just you know

3404
02:06:19,270 --> 02:06:17,119
the san luis valley camera project uh we

3405
02:06:21,189 --> 02:06:19,280
finally got that darn camera

3406
02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:21,199
so that's uh

3407
02:06:24,470 --> 02:06:23,360
that's another piece of good news uh

3408
02:06:26,070 --> 02:06:24,480
adrian

3409
02:06:29,109 --> 02:06:26,080
chavez my

3410
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:29,119
my poor long suffering um

3411
02:06:33,109 --> 02:06:30,560
aspiring

3412
02:06:33,990 --> 02:06:33,119
base station uh captain

3413
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:34,000
he's

3414
02:06:37,109 --> 02:06:35,599
gone through a similar year that i went

3415
02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:37,119
through with all sorts of deaths in the

3416
02:06:41,990 --> 02:06:39,440
family and weird stuff at his work and

3417
02:06:43,430 --> 02:06:42,000
uh thomas paine he finally got the

3418
02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:43,440
camera up so

3419
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:45,760
we're deciding which internet service to

3420
02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:47,119
go with and

3421
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:49,040
we're going to go ahead and uh and get

3422
02:06:51,990 --> 02:06:50,159
that thing

3423
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:52,000
put forward and

3424
02:06:56,390 --> 02:06:54,000
get it streaming here at uh at the

3425
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:56,400
paracast as soon as gene can

3426
02:07:01,109 --> 02:06:58,880
carve out some time from uh

3427
02:07:01,910 --> 02:07:01,119
setting up his new uh digs there we'll

3428
02:07:04,790 --> 02:07:01,920
um

3429
02:07:07,589 --> 02:07:04,800
we'll go ahead and get the uh first uh

3430
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:07,599
camera stream back up and uh we're

3431
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:09,520
planning on making a trip

3432
02:07:12,069 --> 02:07:11,119
i'll probably be going up there with ron

3433
02:07:14,069 --> 02:07:12,079
regair

3434
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:14,079
later on this fall to get second and

3435
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:16,079
possibly the third cameras up

3436
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:19,599
we have our software is now complete the

3437
02:07:23,510 --> 02:07:22,639
detect motion record on motion software

3438
02:07:24,709 --> 02:07:23,520
which

3439
02:07:26,790 --> 02:07:24,719
has been a

3440
02:07:29,669 --> 02:07:26,800
constant project for the last five years

3441
02:07:32,310 --> 02:07:29,679
a very difficult software

3442
02:07:33,270 --> 02:07:32,320
program to uh to go in and

3443
02:07:36,790 --> 02:07:33,280
create

3444
02:07:39,270 --> 02:07:36,800
and will modify an existing program

3445
02:07:41,669 --> 02:07:39,280
so it's applicable for the kind of

3446
02:07:44,310 --> 02:07:41,679
detection work that we need so

3447
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:44,320
so yeah yeah we have some progress uh on

3448
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:46,000
several fronts

3449
02:07:49,589 --> 02:07:46,880
um

3450
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:49,599
it's you know as with everything in life

3451
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:51,360
as you both know it's

3452
02:07:55,270 --> 02:07:52,880
a constant case of

3453
02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:55,280
three steps forward two steps back but

3454
02:07:59,510 --> 02:07:57,520
i'm glad to say that we finally uh we do

3455
02:08:01,910 --> 02:07:59,520
have that initial

3456
02:08:04,709 --> 02:08:01,920
base station re-established so that's uh

3457
02:08:06,629 --> 02:08:04,719
that's very good news on that front

3458
02:08:09,830 --> 02:08:06,639
oh that sounds like

3459
02:08:11,990 --> 02:08:09,840
a sign of relief i have enough

3460
02:08:13,589 --> 02:08:12,000
taken care of here that we could set up

3461
02:08:15,270 --> 02:08:13,599
the streaming

3462
02:08:18,390 --> 02:08:15,280
and what kind of stuff we're going to

3463
02:08:20,950 --> 02:08:18,400
use something called icecast chris

3464
02:08:23,750 --> 02:08:20,960
which is a live streaming app i just

3465
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:23,760
have to have somebody set it up for me

3466
02:08:28,629 --> 02:08:25,840
yeah i already use it

3467
02:08:30,229 --> 02:08:28,639
okay you just volunteered greg you can

3468
02:08:31,430 --> 02:08:30,239
set it up for me

3469
02:08:34,149 --> 02:08:31,440
huh what

3470
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:34,159
no i use nice cast which is the software

3471
02:08:37,510 --> 02:08:35,599
it's as

3472
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:37,520
software that you broadcast through ice

3473
02:08:39,910 --> 02:08:39,280
casts and i actually had to sign up with

3474
02:08:51,669 --> 02:08:39,920
a

3475
02:08:52,950 --> 02:08:51,679
live

3476
02:08:54,790 --> 02:08:52,960
and i was able to

3477
02:08:57,430 --> 02:08:54,800
with this i was able to sit on a roof of

3478
02:09:00,709 --> 02:08:57,440
a hotel in halifax with um aaron gulias

3479
02:09:03,270 --> 02:09:00,719
tim binol and kimball and do a uh

3480
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:03,280
a radio show from my laptop

3481
02:09:07,669 --> 02:09:05,760
through their wi-fi system live so

3482
02:09:09,430 --> 02:09:07,679
basically if i've got wi-fi anywhere i

3483
02:09:11,589 --> 02:09:09,440
can do a show there now

3484
02:09:13,830 --> 02:09:11,599
oh that's so cool yeah nice cast it's

3485
02:09:14,790 --> 02:09:13,840
from a company called rogue amoeba and

3486
02:09:17,430 --> 02:09:14,800
they make

3487
02:09:19,189 --> 02:09:17,440
audio hijack which is what we do now

3488
02:09:21,189 --> 02:09:19,199
we're not interested in that of course

3489
02:09:22,790 --> 02:09:21,199
is because obviously we have

3490
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:22,800
a web server

3491
02:09:26,390 --> 02:09:25,360
in phoenix by the way it's located in

3492
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:26,400
phoenix

3493
02:09:29,430 --> 02:09:27,280
and

3494
02:09:30,870 --> 02:09:29,440
it's in a huge

3495
02:09:33,589 --> 02:09:30,880
data center

3496
02:09:35,750 --> 02:09:33,599
with all the accessories of high

3497
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:35,760
performance because a web host

3498
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:37,760
manages that for us so all we have to do

3499
02:09:42,069 --> 02:09:39,760
is set up the software

3500
02:09:44,149 --> 02:09:42,079
and it will do what has to be done so

3501
02:09:47,510 --> 02:09:44,159
something like this we wouldn't use nice

3502
02:09:49,430 --> 02:09:47,520
cast a mac app we're using linux

3503
02:09:50,870 --> 02:09:49,440
tool of some sort or something like ice

3504
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:50,880
cast

3505
02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:52,960
yeah well i said what i'm trying to do

3506
02:09:56,790 --> 02:09:54,239
here and i think what you're trying to

3507
02:09:58,950 --> 02:09:56,800
do is i try to set things up so there's

3508
02:10:00,950 --> 02:09:58,960
absolutely zero thinking that has to be

3509
02:10:02,870 --> 02:10:00,960
done by the listener all they have to do

3510
02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:02,880
is point and click on something and then

3511
02:10:06,550 --> 02:10:04,960
they can listen or download or whatever

3512
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:06,560
you have to make things as easy as

3513
02:10:11,189 --> 02:10:09,520
possible for everybody or you're already

3514
02:10:12,790 --> 02:10:11,199
cutting out part of your audience so

3515
02:10:15,669 --> 02:10:12,800
because people give up very quickly i

3516
02:10:18,629 --> 02:10:15,679
know i do yeah that's important to have

3517
02:10:19,669 --> 02:10:18,639
it as uh user and and use friendly as

3518
02:10:21,910 --> 02:10:19,679
possible

3519
02:10:24,069 --> 02:10:21,920
yeah we'll be more user-friendly because

3520
02:10:26,550 --> 02:10:24,079
we have to do another break or so

3521
02:10:29,430 --> 02:10:26,560
so chris o'brien having dealt with a

3522
02:10:36,130 --> 02:10:29,440
friend's motoring problems has joined us

3523
02:10:41,990 --> 02:10:38,709
[Music]

3524
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to the paracast

3631
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so there we go trying to put it all

3632
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together and so once we get all the

3633
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back end stuff going and it won't take

3634
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very long we'll set up ice cast or

3635
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something i think that's the best tool

3636
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right now

3637
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we'll make it so you just click on a

3638
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3639
02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:31,280
on our site

3640
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or on chris's site ourstrangeplanet.com

3641
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and you will be able to see this feed

3642
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:40,560
and see whether e.t arrives or whether

3643
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:42,960
intelligent dolphins are sending images

3644
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:43,840
down

3645
02:15:47,830 --> 02:15:45,599
there you go yeah

3646
02:15:50,069 --> 02:15:47,840
um adrian the final thing that really

3647
02:15:51,430 --> 02:15:50,079
got him motivated is about three weeks

3648
02:15:53,589 --> 02:15:51,440
ago

3649
02:15:55,589 --> 02:15:53,599
uh he woke up at four in the morning and

3650
02:15:58,709 --> 02:15:55,599
looked out his window and over blanca

3651
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:58,719
peak uh the group of mountains there

3652
02:16:02,390 --> 02:16:00,560
uh to the east of him

3653
02:16:03,270 --> 02:16:02,400
there was a bunch of lights dancing

3654
02:16:04,629 --> 02:16:03,280
around

3655
02:16:06,149 --> 02:16:04,639
above the mountain

3656
02:16:07,990 --> 02:16:06,159
zipping around in a non-ballistic

3657
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:08,000
fashion he woke his wife up they both

3658
02:16:11,669 --> 02:16:09,119
watched for

3659
02:16:13,510 --> 02:16:11,679
a number of minutes and he said man i

3660
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:13,520
wish i had the camera

3661
02:16:16,390 --> 02:16:14,880
because that would have made some really

3662
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:16,400
good footage so

3663
02:16:20,709 --> 02:16:18,639
you know sometimes the universe provides

3664
02:16:21,589 --> 02:16:20,719
us with a little bit of extra motivation

3665
02:16:26,709 --> 02:16:21,599
to

3666
02:16:27,990 --> 02:16:26,719
now that we've got uh the first camera

3667
02:16:30,149 --> 02:16:28,000
up i think

3668
02:16:31,990 --> 02:16:30,159
as soon as we get that streaming

3669
02:16:34,709 --> 02:16:32,000
uh i think it's gonna generate uh

3670
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:34,719
regenerate uh interest in the project

3671
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:37,040
when we start triangulating in on on

3672
02:16:40,629 --> 02:16:39,840
events um it's gonna be historic because

3673
02:16:55,190 --> 02:16:40,639
i

3674
02:16:56,709 --> 02:16:55,200
camera angles on uh

3675
02:16:58,469 --> 02:16:56,719
several objects

3676
02:17:01,830 --> 02:16:58,479
so it's very rare that you get

3677
02:17:03,270 --> 02:17:01,840
triangulated optical you know data from

3678
02:17:05,509 --> 02:17:03,280
citing events

3679
02:17:06,709 --> 02:17:05,519
this will be time stamped so

3680
02:17:08,790 --> 02:17:06,719
it'll be

3681
02:17:11,030 --> 02:17:08,800
literally to the second

3682
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:11,040
to the split second that we'll be

3683
02:17:14,870 --> 02:17:12,880
be able to coordinate

3684
02:17:17,429 --> 02:17:14,880
camera images and

3685
02:17:20,150 --> 02:17:17,439
obviously optical data is is

3686
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:20,160
one of the least important i think

3687
02:17:23,990 --> 02:17:23,120
data sets obviously it's the sexiest for

3688
02:17:29,349 --> 02:17:24,000
uh

3689
02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:29,359
they can see it it's something they can

3690
02:17:33,509 --> 02:17:31,280
tangibly uh

3691
02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:33,519
you know would get into but um it's the

3692
02:17:39,270 --> 02:17:36,960
other uh spectra of of data that's more

3693
02:17:40,790 --> 02:17:39,280
important really gravitational

3694
02:17:42,469 --> 02:17:40,800
uh magnetic

3695
02:17:44,150 --> 02:17:42,479
marked antonio and

3696
02:17:46,629 --> 02:17:44,160
douglas trumbull have

3697
02:17:49,669 --> 02:17:46,639
uncovered what they think is a signature

3698
02:17:52,549 --> 02:17:49,679
energetics uh some sort of

3699
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:52,559
field that they can detect which

3700
02:17:56,549 --> 02:17:54,800
indicates to them a real high strange

3701
02:17:59,910 --> 02:17:56,559
event is taking place

3702
02:18:01,589 --> 02:17:59,920
uh it's some sort of a very sensitive uh

3703
02:18:03,589 --> 02:18:01,599
detection equipment that's

3704
02:18:07,110 --> 02:18:03,599
they've devised with the help of some ex

3705
02:18:08,230 --> 02:18:07,120
or lawrence livermore lab workers uh

3706
02:18:10,389 --> 02:18:08,240
scientists

3707
02:18:12,549 --> 02:18:10,399
you know ex-dod guys so

3708
02:18:13,990 --> 02:18:12,559
um hopefully they're in the mood to

3709
02:18:16,070 --> 02:18:14,000
possibly share

3710
02:18:17,669 --> 02:18:16,080
some of that technology but you know

3711
02:18:20,790 --> 02:18:17,679
once we get the gravitometer up and the

3712
02:18:23,110 --> 02:18:20,800
magnetometer up um that's really gonna

3713
02:18:25,830 --> 02:18:23,120
take it in to the next level um we do

3714
02:18:28,070 --> 02:18:25,840
have a tri-field meter with a

3715
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:28,080
an amplified antenna which will be going

3716
02:18:32,709 --> 02:18:30,080
up as well so you know we're looking at

3717
02:18:34,150 --> 02:18:32,719
this from a i think a well-rounded

3718
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:34,160
scientific

3719
02:18:39,349 --> 02:18:37,359
approach as opposed to just going for

3720
02:18:41,429 --> 02:18:39,359
bang for the buck and titillating

3721
02:18:44,230 --> 02:18:41,439
optical you know visual

3722
02:18:46,150 --> 02:18:44,240
information we also want to record elf

3723
02:18:49,349 --> 02:18:46,160
and vlf

3724
02:18:51,589 --> 02:18:49,359
a very low frequency and otolo ulf and

3725
02:18:53,589 --> 02:18:51,599
extremely low frequency

3726
02:18:55,750 --> 02:18:53,599
waves with the specially designed pcm

3727
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:55,760
microphones that go all the way down to

3728
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:57,760
i think five cycles or something it can

3729
02:19:03,990 --> 02:19:00,639
actually uh detect the earth's uh

3730
02:19:07,110 --> 02:19:04,000
resonant uh tone so you know these these

3731
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:07,120
types of data sets are extremely

3732
02:19:12,070 --> 02:19:09,679
revealing i think in terms of

3733
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:12,080
trying to ascertain the type and quality

3734
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:14,000
of technology that we're dealing with

3735
02:19:19,110 --> 02:19:16,160
with these uh objects so

3736
02:19:21,349 --> 02:19:19,120
uh it's exciting once we get uh you know

3737
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:21,359
the streaming uh image up then we're

3738
02:19:25,349 --> 02:19:23,760
going to do a kickstarter campaign

3739
02:19:27,910 --> 02:19:25,359
because we'd really like to to go

3740
02:19:30,870 --> 02:19:27,920
full-blown uh forward-looking infrared

3741
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:30,880
uh on each of the cameras um have that

3742
02:19:35,349 --> 02:19:33,040
capability at night to have a full

3743
02:19:37,750 --> 02:19:35,359
spectrum infrared so you know it's

3744
02:19:38,870 --> 02:19:37,760
exciting i i really think that uh this

3745
02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:38,880
is

3746
02:19:44,870 --> 02:19:42,160
one avenue that we need to be going down

3747
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:44,880
uh in the 21st century in terms of hard

3748
02:19:51,110 --> 02:19:47,120
data ufo uh research

3749
02:19:52,870 --> 02:19:51,120
obviously uh you can only come up with

3750
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:52,880
you know better data than what we've got

3751
02:19:57,990 --> 02:19:54,880
now you know i'm sure the military has

3752
02:19:59,670 --> 02:19:58,000
some some real good scientific data but

3753
02:20:03,349 --> 02:19:59,680
in terms of the private sector except

3754
02:20:05,190 --> 02:20:03,359
for hezbollah and one or two other very

3755
02:20:07,190 --> 02:20:05,200
tenuous attempts

3756
02:20:10,150 --> 02:20:07,200
there have really been no

3757
02:20:11,190 --> 02:20:10,160
solid programs uh that have been enacted

3758
02:20:13,830 --> 02:20:11,200
to

3759
02:20:16,710 --> 02:20:13,840
gather this type of of data and once

3760
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:16,720
we've gathered it once and we can show

3761
02:20:22,790 --> 02:20:17,680
certain

3762
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:22,800
in the data then you know you have your

3763
02:20:26,150 --> 02:20:24,880
scientific accent of being able to

3764
02:20:27,830 --> 02:20:26,160
repeat

3765
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:27,840
come up with a hypothesis come up with

3766
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:30,319
the data to support it and then have uh

3767
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:33,040
repeat data sets to uh bolster

3768
02:20:37,990 --> 02:20:35,520
whatever uh hypotheses that that you're

3769
02:20:40,389 --> 02:20:38,000
talking so these are exciting times i i

3770
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:40,399
really think that uh it's about time

3771
02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:42,080
that this sort of effort goes off the

3772
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:43,840
ground and it could really gentlemen and

3773
02:20:47,830 --> 02:20:45,359
this really could be

3774
02:20:49,670 --> 02:20:47,840
uh legitimately historic so

3775
02:20:51,590 --> 02:20:49,680
you can't be too excited you have to

3776
02:20:54,230 --> 02:20:51,600
temper your enthusiasm and all that but

3777
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:54,240
uh it's a big deal now that we finally

3778
02:20:58,630 --> 02:20:56,000
got that camera back up

3779
02:21:00,150 --> 02:20:58,640
and uh i'm real excited about it do you

3780
02:21:02,950 --> 02:21:00,160
have um

3781
02:21:04,630 --> 02:21:02,960
location data like some sort of way of

3782
02:21:05,910 --> 02:21:04,640
figuring out where the

3783
02:21:07,429 --> 02:21:05,920
where the uh

3784
02:21:09,670 --> 02:21:07,439
whatever lights you're

3785
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:09,680
getting a recording of are is there any

3786
02:21:14,870 --> 02:21:11,359
way to figure that out because a time

3787
02:21:17,429 --> 02:21:14,880
and a time in it and it's in a place

3788
02:21:20,070 --> 02:21:17,439
time and space uh data would be

3789
02:21:21,830 --> 02:21:20,080
interesting too actually right well once

3790
02:21:23,750 --> 02:21:21,840
we have more than one camera up yes then

3791
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:23,760
we'll be able to determine

3792
02:21:28,309 --> 02:21:26,560
uh longitude and latitude of the object

3793
02:21:31,110 --> 02:21:28,319
and and altitude

3794
02:21:33,190 --> 02:21:31,120
with one camera um you really can't

3795
02:21:35,429 --> 02:21:33,200
accurately right down to the you know a

3796
02:21:36,630 --> 02:21:35,439
few meters let's say uh get that sort of

3797
02:21:39,349 --> 02:21:36,640
data although

3798
02:21:42,550 --> 02:21:39,359
uh for daylight uh footage we'll be able

3799
02:21:44,469 --> 02:21:42,560
to get real close uh in terms of of

3800
02:21:48,230 --> 02:21:44,479
because of of surround the surrounding

3801
02:21:49,750 --> 02:21:48,240
uh topography and uh location of

3802
02:21:51,910 --> 02:21:49,760
particular landmarks that sort of thing

3803
02:21:54,230 --> 02:21:51,920
we'll be able to determine uh fairly

3804
02:21:56,309 --> 02:21:54,240
accurately in the daytime but at night

3805
02:21:58,710 --> 02:21:56,319
obviously it's it's virtually impossible

3806
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:58,720
to do that uh except

3807
02:22:03,110 --> 02:22:01,280
you know like i said the the lights that

3808
02:22:05,349 --> 02:22:03,120
adrian and his wife appear to be looking

3809
02:22:08,309 --> 02:22:05,359
at or we're looking at appear to be over

3810
02:22:09,830 --> 02:22:08,319
block peak and that is a common sighting

3811
02:22:11,510 --> 02:22:09,840
occurrence people say yeah the lights

3812
02:22:13,270 --> 02:22:11,520
were right over broncos so

3813
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:13,280
once we get two cameras up and then the

3814
02:22:18,790 --> 02:22:15,840
third camera it's going to be

3815
02:22:21,750 --> 02:22:18,800
effortless to determine

3816
02:22:23,670 --> 02:22:21,760
location to within a meter or two

3817
02:22:25,190 --> 02:22:23,680
it doesn't matter where where it is

3818
02:22:26,389 --> 02:22:25,200
as long as we have

3819
02:22:28,950 --> 02:22:26,399
at least two

3820
02:22:30,790 --> 02:22:28,960
two angles at the object that um

3821
02:22:33,429 --> 02:22:30,800
that are being um

3822
02:22:35,030 --> 02:22:33,439
you know timed uh it's going to be very

3823
02:22:37,429 --> 02:22:35,040
simple to get that kind of data and then

3824
02:22:39,429 --> 02:22:37,439
that we should be able to translate that

3825
02:22:41,190 --> 02:22:39,439
that into actual um

3826
02:22:43,429 --> 02:22:41,200
long and lat coordinates

3827
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:43,439
yeah time and space patterns would be

3828
02:22:47,429 --> 02:22:45,600
exceedingly interesting actually yeah

3829
02:22:49,349 --> 02:22:47,439
absolutely speed you can determine a lot

3830
02:22:51,590 --> 02:22:49,359
of things determine

3831
02:22:53,990 --> 02:22:51,600
object speed object size

3832
02:22:56,070 --> 02:22:54,000
uh especially in the daylight the the

3833
02:22:58,950 --> 02:22:56,080
kinds of sightings that i think have the

3834
02:23:00,790 --> 02:22:58,960
most potential for you know really

3835
02:23:03,030 --> 02:23:00,800
coming up with some very very important

3836
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:03,040
scientific data or daylight sightings

3837
02:23:07,590 --> 02:23:05,520
you know the nighttime stuff is cool uh

3838
02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:07,600
but uh the daylight the daylight

3839
02:23:11,830 --> 02:23:09,520
sightings are infinitely more important

3840
02:23:14,230 --> 02:23:11,840
i think in terms of actually gathering

3841
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:14,240
and establishing data and gathering data

3842
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:15,200
and

3843
02:23:18,309 --> 02:23:15,920
uh

3844
02:23:20,070 --> 02:23:18,319
one piece of footage that we had from

3845
02:23:21,750 --> 02:23:20,080
the initial camera

3846
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:21,760
that was right in the town of alamosa

3847
02:23:26,150 --> 02:23:23,840
and now we're about five miles outside

3848
02:23:27,510 --> 02:23:26,160
of alamosa or with this location towards

3849
02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:27,520
the east

3850
02:23:31,750 --> 02:23:29,359
we had what appeared to be a small

3851
02:23:34,230 --> 02:23:31,760
two-man helicopter enter the frame

3852
02:23:36,630 --> 02:23:34,240
and scoot along um

3853
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:36,640
you know right through the entire uh

3854
02:23:41,990 --> 02:23:38,960
image and of course with the rounded

3855
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:42,000
canopy in the sun at the proper angle

3856
02:23:47,110 --> 02:23:44,640
about three or four a split second into

3857
02:23:49,190 --> 02:23:47,120
the footage about a second after you see

3858
02:23:51,429 --> 02:23:49,200
the object enter and you can determine

3859
02:23:53,830 --> 02:23:51,439
that it that it is probably a helicopter

3860
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:53,840
then the light hits the canopy and the

3861
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:55,680
whole thing turns into a perfect silver

3862
02:24:00,630 --> 02:23:59,120
ball that then scoots across the image

3863
02:24:03,510 --> 02:24:00,640
obviously we we're doing this to

3864
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:03,520
ascertain reality and the truth but if i

3865
02:24:07,190 --> 02:24:05,200
had been a little even the slightest bit

3866
02:24:09,910 --> 02:24:07,200
unscrupulous i could have just clipped

3867
02:24:11,990 --> 02:24:09,920
off that first second of footage and and

3868
02:24:15,349 --> 02:24:12,000
touted you know the object that scoots

3869
02:24:17,270 --> 02:24:15,359
scoots across the frame as a silver orb

3870
02:24:19,670 --> 02:24:17,280
going uh you know flying over the san

3871
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luis valley aren't i cool i got i filmed

3872
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a ufo but no no what we want to do is

3873
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ascertain reality and the truth

3874
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hi this is joshua p warren author of the

3988
02:29:00,469 --> 02:28:58,000
poor man's paranormal and you're

3989
02:29:05,550 --> 02:29:00,479
listening to the paracast the gold

3990
02:29:05,560 --> 02:29:09,110
[Music]

3991
02:29:13,270 --> 02:29:11,429
so we have gene steinberg chris o'brien

3992
02:29:14,630 --> 02:29:13,280
greg bishop and we're focusing this

3993
02:29:17,510 --> 02:29:14,640
final segment

3994
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:17,520
of the power cast this week on the san

3995
02:29:23,030 --> 02:29:20,160
luis valley camera project getting kind

3996
02:29:25,270 --> 02:29:23,040
of technical there but as far as you're

3997
02:29:27,349 --> 02:29:25,280
concerned listeners we want to make it

3998
02:29:29,429 --> 02:29:27,359
point and click

3999
02:29:30,150 --> 02:29:29,439
yeah well i mean it's pretty uh simple

4000
02:29:33,910 --> 02:29:30,160
to

4001
02:29:37,270 --> 02:29:33,920
helicopter for the first second of about

4002
02:29:38,469 --> 02:29:37,280
a 10 10 to 12 second uh you know bit of

4003
02:29:40,150 --> 02:29:38,479
footage

4004
02:29:42,469 --> 02:29:40,160
and then when the light hits the canopy

4005
02:29:44,870 --> 02:29:42,479
at the right angle that light bloom

4006
02:29:46,230 --> 02:29:44,880
makes the object look like it turns into

4007
02:29:48,550 --> 02:29:46,240
an orb now

4008
02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:48,560
there would be i'm sure some ufologists

4009
02:29:53,270 --> 02:29:50,880
out there that would say oh well that

4010
02:29:56,070 --> 02:29:53,280
was a ufo pretending to be a helicopter

4011
02:29:58,389 --> 02:29:56,080
and then it decided to morph back into

4012
02:30:00,469 --> 02:29:58,399
its uh ufo shape

4013
02:30:02,550 --> 02:30:00,479
yeah i mean that's that's a possibility

4014
02:30:05,750 --> 02:30:02,560
but then monkeys could come flying out

4015
02:30:07,670 --> 02:30:05,760
of my butt in the next minute too so

4016
02:30:09,830 --> 02:30:07,680
[Music]

4017
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:09,840
oh my god wait a minute wait a minute

4018
02:30:14,710 --> 02:30:12,640
just we are getting graphic here and i

4019
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:14,720
don't know what's going to be coming out

4020
02:30:18,950 --> 02:30:17,120
but it's not for this kind of show maybe

4021
02:30:21,830 --> 02:30:18,960
for the after the power cast we could be

4022
02:30:23,990 --> 02:30:21,840
more explicit about it

4023
02:30:25,270 --> 02:30:24,000
that was it a pg movie come on that was

4024
02:30:28,790 --> 02:30:25,280
my yeah

4025
02:30:30,630 --> 02:30:28,800
yeah i have a t-shirt that says uh

4026
02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:30,640
careful or i'll

4027
02:30:34,290 --> 02:30:33,040
unleash the flying monkeys i should give

4028
02:30:37,270 --> 02:30:34,300
that one to you

4029
02:30:39,270 --> 02:30:37,280
[Laughter]

4030
02:30:41,590 --> 02:30:39,280
oh by the way news flash here we heard

4031
02:30:44,070 --> 02:30:41,600
from adam miller who is one of the

4032
02:30:45,670 --> 02:30:44,080
affiliate relations guys

4033
02:30:47,510 --> 02:30:45,680
over at

4034
02:30:50,590 --> 02:30:47,520
gcn

4035
02:30:52,950 --> 02:30:50,600
and we've been added to wios

4036
02:30:54,389 --> 02:30:52,960
1480 am

4037
02:30:57,110 --> 02:30:54,399
in

4038
02:30:58,630 --> 02:30:57,120
tawa city michigan

4039
02:31:00,230 --> 02:30:58,640
i hope i pronounced that right we're

4040
02:31:02,389 --> 02:31:00,240
going to lose the entire station if i

4041
02:31:04,870 --> 02:31:02,399
got it wrong but this is our first

4042
02:31:06,309 --> 02:31:04,880
michigan outlet for the power cast

4043
02:31:08,070 --> 02:31:06,319
all right

4044
02:31:09,270 --> 02:31:08,080
maybe aaron golias can listen to you

4045
02:31:11,270 --> 02:31:09,280
he's out there

4046
02:31:12,469 --> 02:31:11,280
in michigan i'm not sure if he's near

4047
02:31:15,750 --> 02:31:12,479
whatever that town is that you

4048
02:31:17,349 --> 02:31:15,760
pronounced properly it's at 1480 which

4049
02:31:19,349 --> 02:31:17,359
is probably not going to give you a

4050
02:31:22,230 --> 02:31:19,359
really wide range that's really high up

4051
02:31:24,870 --> 02:31:22,240
that's true and the am dial yeah

4052
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:24,880
is it t-o-w-a-s is that

4053
02:31:28,830 --> 02:31:27,200
w-i-o-s

4054
02:31:31,830 --> 02:31:28,840
city is

4055
02:31:33,429 --> 02:31:31,840
t-a-w-a-s thomas

4056
02:31:34,710 --> 02:31:33,439
city michigan

4057
02:31:36,630 --> 02:31:34,720
you realize they're going to be going

4058
02:31:39,270 --> 02:31:36,640
crazy there now what's wrong with the

4059
02:31:41,030 --> 02:31:39,280
power cast we add the show and we're

4060
02:31:42,950 --> 02:31:41,040
happy to have them on they spend half

4061
02:31:46,309 --> 02:31:42,960
the show trying to pronounce the name of

4062
02:31:51,510 --> 02:31:48,710
welcome aboard listeners

4063
02:31:54,389 --> 02:31:51,520
it's near lake huron in the lower

4064
02:31:56,990 --> 02:31:54,399
peninsula of the u.s state of michigan

4065
02:32:00,630 --> 02:31:57,000
population was

4066
02:32:02,790 --> 02:32:00,640
1827 in the 2010 census

4067
02:32:04,950 --> 02:32:02,800
and we want every last one of you to

4068
02:32:07,670 --> 02:32:04,960
listen to this show

4069
02:32:11,190 --> 02:32:07,680
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4070
02:32:15,349 --> 02:32:13,429
here we are and there they go

4071
02:32:18,550 --> 02:32:15,359
so you have to filter a lot of stuff

4072
02:32:19,750 --> 02:32:18,560
because of uh broadcast radio i guess

4073
02:32:20,870 --> 02:32:19,760
because it's you know you don't know

4074
02:32:23,510 --> 02:32:20,880
when they're gonna

4075
02:32:25,590 --> 02:32:23,520
uh broadcast the show and it's what's

4076
02:32:26,710 --> 02:32:25,600
safe harbor like after 10 or something i

4077
02:32:28,710 --> 02:32:26,720
can't remember

4078
02:32:30,550 --> 02:32:28,720
we're on early in the morning

4079
02:32:32,389 --> 02:32:30,560
yeah we're late okay

4080
02:32:34,630 --> 02:32:32,399
so but you know what i'll tell you

4081
02:32:36,950 --> 02:32:34,640
something that's really good about gcn

4082
02:32:40,389 --> 02:32:36,960
they have never ever

4083
02:32:42,070 --> 02:32:40,399
asked me to change content on

4084
02:32:44,309 --> 02:32:42,080
the power cast or the tech night out

4085
02:32:46,710 --> 02:32:44,319
live we've been with them for about six

4086
02:32:48,870 --> 02:32:46,720
years now never on the other hand there

4087
02:32:51,190 --> 02:32:48,880
have been a few episodes we've recorded

4088
02:32:53,110 --> 02:32:51,200
where we had to do some editing but just

4089
02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:53,120
a very few a few guests

4090
02:32:58,710 --> 02:32:56,080
kind of got a little carried away

4091
02:33:00,870 --> 02:32:58,720
so we had to kind of dress them down we

4092
02:33:04,710 --> 02:33:00,880
don't use that kind of language

4093
02:33:06,630 --> 02:33:04,720
as george carlin said monkeys and buds

4094
02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:06,640
you know flying monkeys out of your ends

4095
02:33:11,190 --> 02:33:08,720
so that's perfectly acceptable yeah but

4096
02:33:12,150 --> 02:33:11,200
you're talking about also your obsession

4097
02:33:14,230 --> 02:33:12,160
has been

4098
02:33:16,030 --> 02:33:14,240
with a certain part of the anatomy which

4099
02:33:17,750 --> 02:33:16,040
is why you were talking about these

4100
02:33:20,070 --> 02:33:17,760
proctologists

4101
02:33:21,910 --> 02:33:20,080
well no the pro bono proctologist from

4102
02:33:23,030 --> 02:33:21,920
other planets so that's a terrence

4103
02:33:27,590 --> 02:33:23,040
mckenna

4104
02:33:29,990 --> 02:33:27,600
just appropriated it because he's dead

4105
02:33:33,030 --> 02:33:30,000
so somebody has to carry on the uh the

4106
02:33:35,429 --> 02:33:33,040
tradition of questioning

4107
02:33:37,349 --> 02:33:35,439
why we would have such a thing when

4108
02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:37,359
earthbound proctologists make a good

4109
02:33:40,469 --> 02:33:39,280
living and people you know go to them

4110
02:33:42,469 --> 02:33:40,479
all the time

4111
02:33:45,590 --> 02:33:42,479
we don't need them coming

4112
02:33:47,270 --> 02:33:45,600
coming pro bono wise you know

4113
02:33:48,710 --> 02:33:47,280
well you know what a lot of money has to

4114
02:33:49,750 --> 02:33:48,720
be made in

4115
02:33:51,750 --> 02:33:49,760
finding

4116
02:33:52,950 --> 02:33:51,760
someone willing to do that job i mean

4117
02:33:55,670 --> 02:33:52,960
it's

4118
02:33:57,349 --> 02:33:55,680
looking for monkeys in your butt

4119
02:33:58,790 --> 02:33:57,359
ladies and gentlemen we're kind of

4120
02:34:01,110 --> 02:33:58,800
getting off the rails here we were

4121
02:34:03,510 --> 02:34:01,120
talking earlier greg and i about shows

4122
02:34:06,309 --> 02:34:03,520
that get off the rails and we're not off

4123
02:34:07,349 --> 02:34:06,319
the rails we've had a complete crash a

4124
02:34:09,830 --> 02:34:07,359
complete

4125
02:34:11,670 --> 02:34:09,840
episode of crash landing in any case

4126
02:34:13,750 --> 02:34:11,680
let's just get back briefly the san luis

4127
02:34:15,830 --> 02:34:13,760
valley camera project and no more pro

4128
02:34:18,630 --> 02:34:15,840
bono whoever's

4129
02:34:20,710 --> 02:34:18,640
we hope to have this feed up soon i have

4130
02:34:23,510 --> 02:34:20,720
to do a little back end work oh there we

4131
02:34:26,230 --> 02:34:23,520
go again just have to get a few things

4132
02:34:28,950 --> 02:34:26,240
set up on the server to handle this we

4133
02:34:31,270 --> 02:34:28,960
do have the bandwidth we have pretty

4134
02:34:32,550 --> 02:34:31,280
fast port we're only using

4135
02:34:33,750 --> 02:34:32,560
maybe

4136
02:34:35,990 --> 02:34:33,760
10

4137
02:34:37,990 --> 02:34:36,000
of our bandwidth capacity now so we can

4138
02:34:39,270 --> 02:34:38,000
handle this sort of thing

4139
02:34:41,270 --> 02:34:39,280
so we're ready

4140
02:34:43,750 --> 02:34:41,280
and we'll announce it soon

4141
02:34:45,910 --> 02:34:43,760
and maybe we'll offer the feed first

4142
02:34:47,670 --> 02:34:45,920
chris you go along with this let's offer

4143
02:34:48,790 --> 02:34:47,680
the feed first

4144
02:34:49,670 --> 02:34:48,800
to those

4145
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:49,680
who

4146
02:34:54,150 --> 02:34:51,200
are subscribers

4147
02:34:55,030 --> 02:34:54,160
to the power cast plus there you go

4148
02:34:56,469 --> 02:34:55,040
okay

4149
02:34:57,910 --> 02:34:56,479
yeah that's a good inducement to get

4150
02:34:59,910 --> 02:34:57,920
people to sign up that and all the

4151
02:35:02,150 --> 02:34:59,920
hundreds of books that i've given away

4152
02:35:03,990 --> 02:35:02,160
right we haven't really been pushing the

4153
02:35:06,150 --> 02:35:04,000
free book offer

4154
02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:06,160
lately but you know i might mention it

4155
02:35:11,670 --> 02:35:08,479
again so here's the deal

4156
02:35:13,270 --> 02:35:11,680
i blew it he blew it you know he said

4157
02:35:15,750 --> 02:35:13,280
you don't have to do that anymore do you

4158
02:35:17,590 --> 02:35:15,760
okay we have two of his books

4159
02:35:21,190 --> 02:35:17,600
one of his books about the mysterious

4160
02:35:23,030 --> 02:35:21,200
valley and stalking the tricksters

4161
02:35:24,389 --> 02:35:23,040
and we'll offer the mysterious family

4162
02:35:26,710 --> 02:35:24,399
book

4163
02:35:29,510 --> 02:35:26,720
for those of you who subscribe

4164
02:35:31,590 --> 02:35:29,520
for five years

4165
02:35:33,110 --> 02:35:31,600
of the power cast plus

4166
02:35:36,070 --> 02:35:33,120
will give

4167
02:35:38,150 --> 02:35:36,080
that and stalking the tricksters

4168
02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:38,160
and attack of the rockoids i'm going to

4169
02:35:43,910 --> 02:35:40,880
give up something too here i didn't ask

4170
02:35:46,469 --> 02:35:43,920
grayson my co-author if you

4171
02:35:47,510 --> 02:35:46,479
subscribe for a lifetime

4172
02:35:49,349 --> 02:35:47,520
okay

4173
02:35:51,110 --> 02:35:49,359
one of chris's books on the mysterious

4174
02:35:53,270 --> 02:35:51,120
valley the e-book version for a

4175
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:53,280
five-year subscription to the power cast

4176
02:35:58,070 --> 02:35:55,840
plus and for a lifetime

4177
02:35:59,990 --> 02:35:58,080
you get that's stalking the tricksters

4178
02:36:01,510 --> 02:36:00,000
and attack of the rocko's

4179
02:36:04,070 --> 02:36:01,520
science fiction

4180
02:36:05,670 --> 02:36:04,080
for a lifetime subscription

4181
02:36:06,870 --> 02:36:05,680
it's going to be an indefinite offer

4182
02:36:09,190 --> 02:36:06,880
which means

4183
02:36:11,349 --> 02:36:09,200
when we get sick of it or chris and i

4184
02:36:13,750 --> 02:36:11,359
decide we've given up too much

4185
02:36:15,510 --> 02:36:13,760
it goes away we will also exclusively

4186
02:36:16,469 --> 02:36:15,520
have at least it start

4187
02:36:21,750 --> 02:36:16,479
the

4188
02:36:23,990 --> 02:36:21,760
we're not going to do it forever

4189
02:36:25,990 --> 02:36:24,000
eventually it will go out to the

4190
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:26,000
to the free listeners because it's not

4191
02:36:29,110 --> 02:36:27,439
fair we want everyone else that's going

4192
02:36:31,429 --> 02:36:29,120
out to the public at large yeah the more

4193
02:36:33,110 --> 02:36:31,439
eyeballs we have on on that feed the

4194
02:36:35,830 --> 02:36:33,120
better i think

4195
02:36:37,429 --> 02:36:35,840
there may be a times when we have false

4196
02:36:39,429 --> 02:36:37,439
positives let's say the

4197
02:36:42,070 --> 02:36:39,439
the the recorder goes on

4198
02:36:44,070 --> 02:36:42,080
because of some sort of weird anomalous

4199
02:36:47,110 --> 02:36:44,080
false positive it'll be good to have

4200
02:36:49,990 --> 02:36:47,120
people online if they see something and

4201
02:36:51,349 --> 02:36:50,000
notate that time stamp then we have

4202
02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:51,359
additional information to make a

4203
02:36:55,030 --> 02:36:52,960
determination of whether it was a real

4204
02:36:56,710 --> 02:36:55,040
event or not so you know the more eyes

4205
02:36:57,670 --> 02:36:56,720
that we have the better i think on on

4206
02:36:59,190 --> 02:36:57,680
that feed

4207
02:37:00,150 --> 02:36:59,200
and i want to make it perfectly clear

4208
02:37:03,190 --> 02:37:00,160
right now

4209
02:37:05,670 --> 02:37:03,200
that we are not the false positives

4210
02:37:08,150 --> 02:37:05,680
we do have an independent existence i

4211
02:37:09,990 --> 02:37:08,160
think don't want to say that 100

4212
02:37:11,590 --> 02:37:10,000
okay i'm not quite sure where you're

4213
02:37:13,590 --> 02:37:11,600
going with that one gene but uh greg

4214
02:37:16,389 --> 02:37:13,600
maybe you can figure that one out if

4215
02:37:18,550 --> 02:37:16,399
we're false positives or not yeah that

4216
02:37:20,309 --> 02:37:18,560
is debatable that is highly debatable

4217
02:37:22,469 --> 02:37:20,319
and it's been going on for a long time

4218
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:22,479
and between many people i think that if

4219
02:37:26,070 --> 02:37:24,560
i say more i'm gonna sound stupid so i'm

4220
02:37:28,630 --> 02:37:26,080
gonna stop now

4221
02:37:30,550 --> 02:37:28,640
just think maybe our entire universe is

4222
02:37:33,349 --> 02:37:30,560
really a little globe in somebody's

4223
02:37:35,590 --> 02:37:33,359
keychain yeah or we could be

4224
02:37:38,710 --> 02:37:35,600
the universe could be an atom in the

4225
02:37:40,790 --> 02:37:38,720
toenail of some alien dogs universe

4226
02:37:42,790 --> 02:37:40,800
he better use foot powder hey greg

4227
02:37:44,950 --> 02:37:42,800
bishop please tell our listeners

4228
02:37:46,790 --> 02:37:44,960
where they can go to find your radio

4229
02:37:48,790 --> 02:37:46,800
show and anything you do

4230
02:37:55,429 --> 02:37:48,800
uh writing mysterioso.com

4231
02:37:58,469 --> 02:37:56,630
dot-com

4232
02:37:59,349 --> 02:37:58,479
say it one more time for those writing

4233
02:38:00,550 --> 02:37:59,359
it down

4234
02:38:06,389 --> 02:38:00,560
radio mysterio so

4235
02:38:09,750 --> 02:38:08,070
dot com actually if you just look up

4236
02:38:12,550 --> 02:38:09,760
radio mysteriosa with my name even if

4237
02:38:15,670 --> 02:38:12,560
you put a y in it people you can find it

4238
02:38:18,630 --> 02:38:15,680
i'm still flogging my book uh it defies

4239
02:38:21,270 --> 02:38:18,640
language uh that can be accessed either

4240
02:38:23,190 --> 02:38:21,280
through my site it defies language.com

4241
02:38:25,190 --> 02:38:23,200
or you can just go to amazon or lulu and

4242
02:38:27,270 --> 02:38:25,200
pick it up and you can find us on

4243
02:38:30,070 --> 02:38:27,280
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4244
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4245
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to take advantage of the free books and

4246
02:38:35,910 --> 02:38:34,479
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4247
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4248
02:38:44,630 --> 02:38:43,190
p l u s dot the powercast.com

4249
02:38:46,710 --> 02:38:44,640
it's gonna be

4250
02:38:48,550 --> 02:38:46,720
huge

4251
02:38:51,110 --> 02:38:48,560
greg bishop thanks for

4252
02:38:52,309 --> 02:38:51,120
hanging out with me on the power cast

4253
02:38:54,630 --> 02:38:52,319
this week

4254
02:39:05,030 --> 02:38:54,640
thanks always fun and i get to see what

4255
02:39:10,790 --> 02:39:07,910
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4256
02:39:13,750 --> 02:39:10,800
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4257
02:39:15,510 --> 02:39:13,760
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4258
02:39:19,670 --> 02:39:15,520
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